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What do I do if instance A (this is where the person I follow) decides to ban instance B (my instance of choice)? What if this happens more than once? Should I reregister every month and refollow the same people again and again? What if I set up my own server and people will decide that some of my toots are not "left" or "progressive" enough?
Well that’s society working as designed I think.
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its kinda easy to be labelled neonazi these days
Yeah, you don't have to be an actual neonazi, just be friends with and support them and their views.
I think that illustrates the way these things work pretty clearly.
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> In this case, safe space means both "only likeminded", i.e. gatekeeping - door policy, as tech, policy and features to protect: good privacy defaults, permissioned access, privacy features etc. So in case of anything politic and not say hobby circle - an echo chamber
By this logic isn’t HN an echo chamber or safe space? It’s heavily moderated, to the point where only certain topics are even allowed to be posted (ie community is exposed). For example I can’t post my ballet gossip on hacker news, it would be considered off topic. I could argue hacker news is an echo chamber that doesnt allow for the ballet community relevant interests.
For example I wouldn't consider rule "no politics talk" to be echo chamber on any social space but banning/shadowbanning one kind of leaning vs the other would certainly lean to that.
Then again it is not as simple as some topics just produce people that cannot actually hold conversation about what they talk about and are more interested in throwing their piece and not trying to honestly discuss anything. The unkind extremisms can be banned without turning community into echo chamber even tho technically kicking the having would fall upon "banning one side of politics"
Or on the other side, would you consider post discussing BDSM kinks of some ballet person to be on-topic and belonging to ballet community ? Or who they gave money for political stuff ? Would those comments improve that community or just be off-topic waste of page space ?
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By this logic isn’t HN an echo chamber or safe space? It’s heavily moderated, to the point where only certain topics are even allowed to be posted (ie community is exposed). For example I can’t post my ballet gossip on hacker news, it would be considered off topic. I could argue hacker news is an echo chamber that doesnt allow for the ballet community relevant interests.
Well, there is line to be drawn between echo chamber and just keeping community on topic and it can be blurry one. For example I wouldn't consider rule "no politics talk" to be echo chamber on any social space but banning/shadowbanning one kind of leaning vs the other would certainly lean to that. Then again it is not as simple as some topics just produce people that cannot actually hold conversation about what they…
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Imma be honest with you it has never occurred to me that I would legitimately be considered a transphobe, racist, fascist, or nazi. And if someone sincerely was informing me I was doing this to the point where they could no longer tolerate my presence I would take some serious time to introspect what I did and potentially reach out to a neutral third party like a therapist to figure out if I have to do some work on m…
> And if someone sincerely was informing me I was doing this to the point where they could no longer tolerate my presence But thtat's the thing. On fediverse nobody informs you (unless you have an argument with someone). Your instances just gets banned, possibly by multiple instances\relays and that's it. Not to mention that they are putting everything into one basket: transphobe, racist, fascist even capitalists are…
Like I said before I would rather learn it off a github pr than my boss firing me or my partner divorcing me or my child enstranging.
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> What forum are you talking about. All of Mastadon? Doesn't each instance have its own rules? It's one of the larger instances but the top heaviest constitute the majority by far and they all enshrine these policies. I don't think you're really answering my criticism. You're lumping my "retrograde" progressiveness in with the well-worn wheel of timely revolts against the corruption of the past. I'm saying that both…
But what is "The Left"? People arguing about politics on Mastodon? "Instrument(s) of control in the service of the few," seriously? What control do such people even have, outside of a Mastodon instance that people can just...not use? It's such grandiose language for such a petty complaint. If you want to talk about instruments of control in the service of the few, how about we talk about the forces that keep healthca…
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It did not use too, but it is hard for me to tell where/when the shift happened. All I know for sure is that anyone with mildly stronger views on 1st amendment are called speech absolutists. It is extra annoying, because 'hate speech' is mostly recently made up term to stifle free speech AND, more importantly, does not exist anywhere in US constitution. You can, but it becomes a game of using language that it is hard…
> because 'hate speech' is mostly recently made up term to stifle free speech AND, more importantly, does not exist anywhere in US constitution Which is why dirty commie liberals like me want to get a national hate speech law passed just like other countries have. Canada (which passed in the 1989) Ireland (passed in 1989) New Zeland (passed in 1993) Germany, France, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine, UK, Iceland, Denmark…
Both sides actually want free speech, the blue side just argues that speech is more free when it's not stifled by hate.
Is the most alarming doublethink I have seen in some time.
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But what is "The Left"? People arguing about politics on Mastodon? "Instrument(s) of control in the service of the few," seriously? What control do such people even have, outside of a Mastodon instance that people can just...not use? It's such grandiose language for such a petty complaint. If you want to talk about instruments of control in the service of the few, how about we talk about the forces that keep healthca…
"This, this and this are bad so the topic we are discussing doesn't really matter. Just deal with being excluded and demonized" It's disturbing that people excuse this toxic pattern of online disenfranchisement that repeats itself over and over again.