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Upvote back to +1, just because I think it's interesting how words fairly arbitrarily acquire strong signed (positive or negative) meanings, e.g. awful vs. awesome, collaboration vs. collusion. It's not at all stable across languages. If you call someone a "collabo" (collaborator) in France, that's a huge insult (referring to Nazi collaborators in the Vichy era).
I think my comment is valid and on-topic. People make fun of conspiracy theories, but the fact is that conspiracies go on all the time. There is even a crime called "conspiracy", after all. It would be better to say "implausible crank theories" or something when that is what one refers to.
Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
In what way does poaching create artificial demand? If your employee is valuable enough that another company wants to recruit them, that's not artificial demand, it's real demand. If you won't or can't match a salary somebody else is willing to pay, you deserve to lose that employee. If your employee can't do the tasks you require of him, you fire him. If you can't pay your employees what they are worth, they go else…
Lets take a scenario. You Hire a guy and pay him $120 K a year. Within 6 months you spend say $60k training him. He now theoretically becomes worth $120K per year. Would you be happy if someone just came and offered that much? Considering the time taken to recruit and money to train him. In essence, Facebook (or big spenders) can make a small talented startup their official recruiting arm. As the guy being recruited,…
You may not like it but guess what, tough shit. Suck it up and offer your employees more incentive to stay other than salary.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think my comment is valid and on-topic. People make fun of conspiracy theories, but the fact is that conspiracies go on all the time. There is even a crime called "conspiracy", after all. It would be better to say "implausible crank theories" or something when that is what one refers to.
I find it amusing when well-meaning people try to dictate what a given word or phrase should mean. Language evolves in a chaotic way, often against logical arguments. You might be right, but "conspiracy theory" already has an established meaning, and you are not going to change that.
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It already is, hence the lawsuits.
No it isn't. IANAL, but I believe class action lawsuits deal with civil, not criminal, offenses. Don't be so fast to downvote the grandparent if you didn't understand the question.
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#95Would they have engaged in collusion without Jobs at the center?
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You have never heard of a football player being cut from a team? Or being offered a one year contract? I am saying there are legal ways to prevent an employee from leaving a company but it costs the company money to have that privilege.
One year is a long time to have someone on a team that turns out to be a wrong hire. You normally figure out that someone isn't working out within the first 1-3 months. I've made a wrong hire before and it impacted the work of 5 other people. I and any other manager has an obligation to get rid of that one person if they are having a net negative effect on the work of others. To do otherwise would be a failure in my…
He's 8 days away from not having scored a single goal in an entire calendar year.
And his contract is for 2 more years.
And you know what? The team is still going to pay him. Because that was the contract that was signed. If you think having a software guy around for a year when he wasn't a great hire is a long time what about having someone around for 5+ years that not only isn't any good but (due to the cap) actively hinders the team's ability to get anyone better to replace him.
And yet the sports world seems to get along just fine this way.
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#97It is getting clearer and cleared that Google is just as any big corporation which will do any illegal and un-ethical thing as long as they are not caught. Now, many of companies started with excellent ethical standards, but that is getting slowly lost as companies grow. I wonder if there is some similar work as "Innovators Dilemma" but about company's ethical standards: explaining why and when a company's become ver…
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#98The problem is not just that the employees have less options where to find a job. The real problem is that the employees don't know about the agreement! If I work at Pixar and prospect Intel for a job, they will tell my boss and my carreer at Pixar will be messed for ever. I had a boss that liked to fire employees who he knew were searching for jobs elsewhere. He would announce in job sites good offers asking for can…
So who stayed to work for that boss?
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lets take a scenario. You Hire a guy and pay him $120 K a year. Within 6 months you spend say $60k training him. He now theoretically becomes worth $120K per year. Would you be happy if someone just came and offered that much? Considering the time taken to recruit and money to train him. In essence, Facebook (or big spenders) can make a small talented startup their official recruiting arm. As the guy being recruited,…
Money is only a small factor. If that's all you focus on as an employer I can understand why your employees leave for another company when they offer to match their salary. You may not like it but guess what, tough shit. Suck it up and offer your employees more incentive to stay other than salary.
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On a tangential note, I am worried about the groupthink of HNers (I am not talking about you). the one directional thinking is astounding sometimes.
Is there a problem looking at a situation from an alternative view point?
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#100CEO to the Board: I am indispensable; therefore I need the 10s of millions of dollars as compensation. CEO to the employee: You are indispensable; therefore you can't leave for a better paying job.