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Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by gyaru »

raspberry1337 wrote: post #217
krapp wrote: post #180

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>but to me this sounds like a distopian place where anyone that does not align with the "correct worldview" is made to disappear and never be heard of again. You misunderstand. Being banned from a Mastodon instance doesn't mean you disappear never to be heard from again. No one is going to try to murder you. You're still allowed to participate in society and communicate. Also, the "correct worldview" in this context…

Furthermore, leftism needs to have these banning-systems because modern leftism cannot survive in a free speech environment. This is why all leftists started leaving twitter when Musk took over and promised free speech (not freedom of reach), they knew instantly that the gig was up.

There is literally no difference between "modern leftism" or "modern right-wing" in free speech environments, you are just being dishonest.

If you think modern leftism is being mad about people being racist, that says more about you.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by _fizz_buzz_ »

realjhol wrote: post #253
_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #233

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> What makes you believe we have any control over the climate? CO2 has two vibrational modes that are IR active. We release carbon as CO2 into the atmosphere that was previously bound inside the earth's crust. Humans increased the CO2 concentration from 280ppm to 420ppm (pre-industrial -> today). The science is settled. Whether you believe in it or not: Global warming is happening and humans are causing it. I underst…

> The science is settled. Well, we'll see. There are predictions of global devastation within the next decade. > But physics doesn't care if you want it to be true or not. It's not about that. Rather it's about the law of slow-moving disasters. For example, what if I told you there was a train coming down the tracks that is about to flatten you. Would you be scared? What if I told you it was coming at you at 1cm/year…

> So there are a great number of people who are heavily incentivised to look the other way if there are any unanswered questions.

I never really got this argument: There are even more powerful and even richer people that have incentives that nothing changes: ExxonMobile, Koch Industries, BP, Volkswagen, BMW, GM, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #278
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #262

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So what I see often happens that gets people banned based on their political views tends to be someone trying to start a debate where someone else was not in a debate. Trans person: *exists and makes a post* "Honest debater": I don't think you should... And they get banned. Not everything is or was an invitation to "debate".

Also known as (if I’m not mistaken) “reply guys”: those who attempt to hijack threads by replying to posts and steering the conversation towards something only tangentially related to the post/poster, almost always in an adversarial manner, rather than starting their own threads for the topics they’re wanting to discuss.

Yeah I'm generally not too up of whatever the latest term is, but you'll see accounts that literally registered and immediately started making no posts except telling people their political views are wrong. Or their existence is wrong.

Like, if you're only there to argue, nobody is going to want to hang out with you, sorry. Plenty of good debates happen, including people with differing political views, but you have to bring something besides hate to the table.

Of course, then those people claim they were "censored" for "being conservative" or whatever, but more than likely they were just banned because their only point in registering was to attack other people.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by Pxtl »

lazzlazzlazz wrote: post #110

Individual Mastodon instances have already begun exhibiting insane behavior, and relying on someone else's fiefdom isn't for me. Social media should give full control to the user on top of a credibly neutral layer.

Why? Why isn't it okay the person who is taking on the risk and effort and cost of running the instance is setting the tone? At least on Mastodon you can move to a competing server and maintain your connection with the fediverse.

If I dislike how Twitter or Facebook is being run, my choices are to suck it up or to leave the entire network.

If I dislike how a Mastodon instance is run, I can move to another instance and keep my relationships from my old account.

I mean if this is a dealbreaker for you why are you on HN? HN has opinionated moderation. That's part of the deal of being here.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by dale_glass »

roenxi wrote: post #259
dale_glass wrote: post #236

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> My government have made it very difficult for me to take my own health, retirement savings, home improvement and often financial decisions into my own hands. > ... > If I am too effective at savings then there will also be attempts to gain control of the savings and funnel them into causes I usually think are poorly chosen Right, that's exactly what I was talking about. We can agree on the surface about some things…

Three posts ago you were pointing out obstructionism, now you're saying we have fundamental incompatibilities that can only be resolved by putting money into a pot and having it spent the way you want it to be. I put it to you that it isn't 'obstructionism', it is plain old disagreement. Or if you prefer, the left is being just as obstructionist in blocking the right from making their own decisions. The only differen…

> Three posts ago you were pointing out obstructionism, now you're saying we have fundamental incompatibilities that can only be resolved by putting money into a pot and having it spent the way you want it to be.

There's different things being discussed. I started answering the "If you want to set yourself an interesting challenge, try to figure out why it is you think being on the right wing of politics is incompatible with those opinions" bit.

My answer to that is that there are genuine underlying incompatibilities, and so even if there's a superficial agreement on something once in a while (eg, we both agree some policy goes a tad too far), it still makes no sense for me to switch camps.

The obstructionism is a tangential side point: that the right seems to have no policy other than being anti-left, and so far you've done nothing to convince me otherwise.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

Edd314159 wrote: post #235
graypegg wrote: post #199

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This is an odd minority viewpoint for HN actually. I find most people feel rather empowered by the decentralized nature of mastodon… or email for that matter. Your right to freedom of speech is between you and the government. People aren’t required to publish your work just because you complain. The difference here is you can just hook into the same decentralized system the publisher is using, and subvert them by fin…

> Your right to freedom of speech is between you and the government. People aren’t required to publish your work just because you complain. This is a strawman. Commenter said anything about the right to free speech, only about the willingness to be exposed to opposing viewpoints. We all know that Bob is not obligated to listen to Alice, and he is not required to host a venue for her opinions. But Bob's eagerness to r…

I’m really confused by this rhetoric, because the logical conclusion is that Bob should at minimum be exposed to things he doesn’t want to be exposed to regardless of what the thing is because of the potential Bob might be missing out on a good point. But it also means if Alice’s view is sending Bob death threats and threatening to murder his family, Bob should be exposed to that as equally as if Alice’s view was that pineapples are a superior topping on pizza?

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by troad »

jrm4 wrote: post #274

For what it's worth, my Mastodon experience. Broadly, I think the best use of Mastodon IS to be a Twitter competitor; a noisy town square. What I have seen is -- the disagreeable people on Twitter want to publically fight. They want to push their bad ideas and have everyone listen to them, and thus are willing to get into it. The disagreeable people on Mastodon want to silence others. They're more block happy and don…

Mastodon, like Twitter, is full of people saying extreme things for attention, but it differs from Twitter in that there's no one to make fun of those people, because that would be 'negativity'. For that reason, I tend to find Mastodon feeds absolutely insufferable.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by riley_dog »

baxuz wrote: post #209

Can someone please explain how Mastodon is anything else except Reddit with more hoops to jump through? You have users, subreddits (servers), and mods. Except everything is federated, so you also have the overhead of choosing your server or making a ton of alt accounts. Flashback to old MMO times.

You're thinking of Lemmy - https://join-lemmy.org/.
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