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Kenji López-Alt spent 5 months studying Chicago thin-crust pizza

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Mmm. Cicero’s is my favorite pizza spot atm. My kid recently started making pizzas w/ a cast iron skillet in oven at 550, not quite the crispy crust that Cicero’s has, but not entirely bad. Good to hear about your take on the Ooni—-I think I had started buying into the hype and was starting to eye one in next year or two. Your comment gave a nice reminder to work through some other approaches first.

if you get on r/ooni, all you'll see if Food Porn and lots of advice on how to do it right. After reading all that, I would notice that my kitchen oven pizza was excellent, while the Ooni had all sorts of issues.

We make amazing pizzas on a 3/8 inch baking steel in a 550 degree oven with convect bake and a 1 hour preheat. Switch to convect broil right before putting the pizza in. My friend said it was the best pizza he’d ever had. We make all styles of pizzas (Chicago deep dish, Detroit pizza, NY style, all sorts of stuff). I’ve made hundreds of pizzas and doughs.

We bought an ooni and I made probably 10-15 garbage pizzas. I read all the advice before, tried several recipes, tried metering the heat different ways and different rotation strategies. We returned it and I’m convinced now that it’s mostly hype. The pizzas never came out as good as the steel pizzas, and if you look at the pictures for the pizzas most people churn out, they’re overly burnt on top and the crust is barely done, even if you make it super windowpane to a ridiculous point.

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Good mexican food is hard to come by, particularly texmex, and you can't find any texas style queso at all. People in the bay area have never heard of the stuff, even though it's on the menu at even non-mexican resturaunts and pubs in texas. I've seen it on the menu in seattle, idaho, north carolina, but the bay area is an absolute queso desert for some odd reason.

Sonoran hot dogs my dude!

On my list now. Along with Korean hot dogs.

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Burritos are.... healthy??? Those must be some sad burritos

I know the reputation burritos have but if you compare classic burrito to classic kebab or pizza. Nutritionally burritos are a lot better. I am not saying they don't have calories. They have lots of calories but that's because they are filled so much and are heavy. Burrito has a lot smaller portion of meat then kebab because of the filling. It probably has fresh vegetables (great), beans (good), rice (ok). Sauces are…

So what you're saying is: kebabs are perfect drunk food?

We can learn from our European brothers.

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if you get on r/ooni, all you'll see if Food Porn and lots of advice on how to do it right. After reading all that, I would notice that my kitchen oven pizza was excellent, while the Ooni had all sorts of issues.

We make amazing pizzas on a 3/8 inch baking steel in a 550 degree oven with convect bake and a 1 hour preheat. Switch to convect broil right before putting the pizza in. My friend said it was the best pizza he’d ever had. We make all styles of pizzas (Chicago deep dish, Detroit pizza, NY style, all sorts of stuff). I’ve made hundreds of pizzas and doughs. We bought an ooni and I made probably 10-15 garbage pizzas. I…

Hear, hear.

I also tried naan, as a last-ditch attempt to save the Ooni. It was also lousy.

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Perhaps because everyone here thinks, as I do, “who needs Tex Mex when you have real Mexican food?”

easy there. I'm not Texan and never even spent much time there. But texmex is its own thing. If you look up "queso recipe" it often begins "take a pound of Velveeta."

Yeah and I get that, but I just don’t think TexMex is good, and I grew up in a part of the south where people fully believed it was real Mexican food.

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easy there. I'm not Texan and never even spent much time there. But texmex is its own thing. If you look up "queso recipe" it often begins "take a pound of Velveeta."

Yeah and I get that, but I just don’t think TexMex is good, and I grew up in a part of the south where people fully believed it was real Mexican food.

Americanized Mexican food should be distinguished from formerly-Mexican food. The southwest has it's own food traditions which are often similar, but distinct, from contemporary Mexico-Mexican food. Dismissing those traditions as "TexMex", like they were made up by Anglos is both offensive and inaccurate.

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Kenji, Have your books, watch your YT. Love the science behind the food aspect of it. My whole family does. I am proud to say my daughter, now in college, cooks a few nights a week because she grew up in a family that cooks. I have a challenge for you. In my 40s they figured out my heath issues turn out to be Celiacs. Fun. So do you think you could come up with a closes as possible recipe for NYC style pizza that is…

Oh geez that’s a tall order!

Well, how could I pass up the opportunity to ask someone that has the required skill to figure this out?

This place in Portland comes pretty close to getting it correct.

https://newcascadiatraditional.com/

Cheers!

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> (and superior) Hey hey hey! waves hands in the air wildly If it doesn't come from New Haven I ain't interested. Besides, who wants to eat a saucy saltine. I like my gluten hydrated. Seriously though, pizza science has such a weird intersection with computer-types. Why don't computer-types get all fired up about lasagna, or ice cream sundaes, or stir fry? Why only things like pizza, cast iron, and espresso?

Have you ever tried a Chicago neighborhood-style pizza? Or are you just dismissing it on spec?

Yes. I don't like any of it. The texture. The seasoning. The cheese. The bake. Awful IMHO.

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Rice cookers, too. Lots of techie opinions about those, e.g. is induction worth the extra money.

I’m in the market - any advice?

I have an ancient Panasonic that’s still doing the job for me. I hear all the cool kids get a Zojirushi these days. My friend bought the super expensive induction/ pressure cooker one. He said it’s good, but he’s not sure it was worth spending $400… for rice.

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Dang, that's a bummer to hear! Is it a motion sickness thing? I absolutely love his POV videos and find them so much more watchable than studio setups, partially just because of the intimacy and casualness of them, but also because they're more true to the cooking process.

I’m not the OP but yea for me it’s motion sickness. I would t mind if he did a two camera set up, one stationary and had that on an alt channel, I wouldn’t need to see everything, just hear it and if I really needed to I could check out that scene on the POV video. But those POV shots give me serious motion sickness.

Yes, motion sickness. Huge bummer I have tried many times since seriouseats is the best food website since chowhound in my opinion.
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