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Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

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Re: Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

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somewhat related. Last week a friend of mine that is growing his recruiting business tried to put me in contact with someone at this firm in NYC, for a position that sounds ideal for me and my background. Once he got to the HR department, and as soon as they saw where i currently work, they told him that they have some agreement about not hiring people from my current company and that was it. They didn't even seem to…

It is not legal. That is precisely why Apple, Google, etc. are being sued.

Re: Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

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Here is a different perspective.

As an entreppreneur, I would not want my employees poached. I do not miind them seeking out other opportunities, but I would want them to make the move, not an external entity. Poaching can create artificial demand.

A satisfied employee an become unsatisfied overnight if he is offered a higher salary elsewhere which you don't/can't match.

If I had the way to stop poaching, I will. If my employee wants to seek new opportunities, I will not stop him.

The sacking of the person that was doing the recruiting is totally unacceptable to me. He was just doiing his job

Re: Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

#63

So let's say I am running a startup with two employees. A friend of mine is also running a startup and needs to hire people. Is it wrong for me to ask him not to hire my employees?

Why are people defending these practices? This is not a personal attack, but are you so deluded to think that your 2-person startup is in the same league as Apple, Google and Intel?

Re: Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

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Here is a different perspective. As an entreppreneur, I would not want my employees poached. I do not miind them seeking out other opportunities, but I would want them to make the move, not an external entity. Poaching can create artificial demand. A satisfied employee an become unsatisfied overnight if he is offered a higher salary elsewhere which you don't/can't match. If I had the way to stop poaching, I will. If…

Sure, I wouldn't want my employees poached either; from the employer's perspective, it's a pretty nasty thing to deal with. But taking any steps to prevent offers being made is just not ethical.

Re: Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

#66
In east Asia, poaching is viewed as bad taste and disloyal. A person has to leave a job first before looking for next job. A company tries to recruit employees from other companies gets blacklisted for a period.

But despite of distaste, people does it.

Re: Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

#67

So let's say I am running a startup with two employees. A friend of mine is also running a startup and needs to hire people. Is it wrong for me to ask him not to hire my employees?

That's not the question.

It would be wrong for him to turn down job applications from one of your two employees [on the grounds that they work for you, not based on their not matching his needs] and then inform you that they applied, allowing you to victimise them while torpedoing their own chances at the other company.

Re: Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

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"If a Pixar employee applies to Intel without being recruited by Intel, contact Pat Gelsinger and explain to him a Pixar employee (provide the candidates name) has applied to Intel without being recruited and he will contact the CEO of Pixar for approval to hire" Scary.

I'm surprised that people in these threads say "I'm not at all surprised by this behavior" - It's a sad state of affairs when we, as employees, wholly expect this behavior between the few leading companies in this area.

We have to work among the group of people for which this behavior is standard procedure. We are reminded daily of how insane, sociopathic, and child-like middle managers can be and that it only gets worse (far worse) the further up the chain. If I were working at a place where someone didn't expect this behavior I would think that person was very inexperienced. If I found a company where management didn't behave like this, maybe because it is relatively young, I would expect them to start misbehaving within a few years as the sociopaths start working their way into the corporate structure.

Re: Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

#69

imagine how fast Congress would get involved if something like this were revealed to exist between basketball or football teams for free agents. If these companies don't want employees to leave they are free to sign long term contracts to lock them up. This is plainly illegal

"Hire slow. Fire fast." Would fast firing even be possible with long-term contracts? Firing fast isn't something that is done for the sake of saving money. It is done for the sake of avoiding the damaging effects of keeping someone on the team that hurts the productivity of the other team members.

You have never heard of a football player being cut from a team? Or being offered a one year contract?

I am saying there are legal ways to prevent an employee from leaving a company but it costs the company money to have that privilege.

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