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Re: Leaving China

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Post by yodsanklai »

y0ssar1an wrote: post #169

The Chinese invasion of Taiwan is inevitable. When it happens, every Western company will suddenly have to pull out, just like they did Russia. The losses for Western companies will be tremendous. For some, it will be a mortal blow. I can hear some of you saying "...but, but, China would never... because that would be so stupid...". It doesn't have to be a good idea! Russia's invasion of Ukraine a) wasn't a good idea…

I don't know if we can extrapolate from Ukraine what will happen with Taiwan. China isn't Russia, and the US have much more at stake too.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by returningfory2 »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #156
maskedinvader wrote: post #129

Can we at HN at-least refer to the author as immigrant as opposed to expats? what's an expat anyways ? why does the western world to get to make these tiers where they are expats but arabs, asians, africans etc are all immigrants ?

An immigrant hopes to settle down in the host country, have / grow a family there, own property and even become a citizen. Of course, if the host nation does not have a citizenship program for foreigners, then everyone who isn't a citizen is an expat. An expat hopes, even plans to move back to where they came from. They're in their host nation for work reasons only because, at least according to the expat, where they…

Would you call South Asian laborers who are temporarily working in construction in Dubai expats? Seems to fit your definition exactly.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by dumpster_fire »

duxup wrote: post #171
dumpster_fire wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait why is that a problem? Nationality and ethnicity are two different things.

I don't think / didn't say it was a problem.

Someone married an Asian whose family happened to be ethnic Chinese, which made you think "huh these people are everywhere". (With regards to the diaspora comment)

Then the comment, paraphrasing, "they think they're Chinese when they're not Chinese nationals at all". If their ancestors were from China, they don't "think" they're ethnic Chinese, they are ethnic Chinese. Unless you get into the nitty gritty clans and groups of the gigantic landmass. The use of "think ... although" indicates you disagree with how they identify their ethnicity. Thus I assumed you felt it was a problem.

Apologies if I read intentions that weren't there.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by hayst4ck »

nonethewiser wrote: post #143
WheatMillington wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reads like it was written by someone cosplaying as an adult. A college degree is not an irreplaceable piece of paper to be guarded with your life - otherwise it would live in a vault somewhere. You can trivially have the certificate reprinted.

Do you think I’m lying? Asking because the cosplaying comment. Your reasoning is not lost on me but I see no reason to suggest Im being dishonest. If it’s that simple he will be relieved to here it. Frankly I’m not sure why it’s such a big deal either.

He is not understanding the mechanics of it.

In America a degree is a piece of paper. I could go to my college and ask for a replacement and they'll give me one for $50-100.

A company could call my college and verify I earned a degree without ever seeing a piece of paper.

I know I've read something similar to what you are saying, so I don't think your comment was bad faith, but I forget the specific mechanics of the type of coercion you are talking about.

I suspect it might be China invalidating a Chinese citizens degree if they do the wrong thing or China invalidating the verification of a degree that's respected in China, leaving a person in China without credentials that are respected in China. Alternatively it might be about controlling people who earned a degree in China.

I couldn't find the type of coercion you were talking easily with google. A simple article explaining the mechanics of what you're talking about would likely clear everything up.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by akomtu »

livueta wrote: post #93
majormajor wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2014 I worked with a company in Beijing for a few weeks. The local engineers all had pretty long and packed subway commutes from various outer developments, so my first guess would be that "affordable housing in the city center" is long gone for most major cities. The surface-level infrastructure was interesting, it felt like Los Angeles - much more than it did Manhattan or SF aboveground - just blown up 3-to-5x.…

+1, at least anecdotally, at least in T1 cities: I spent a few months in Shanghai for work in 2018 and all of my local colleagues had messed up housing situations of one flavor or another. One guy lived alone in a shoebox but when he had a free weekend, he'd take the train ~2h out to a smaller city where his family lived in a decent house. There were also a lot of complaints about apartment quality even/especially in…

"identical enormous tower after identical enormous tower"

That's the drukkhar architecture (we'll get to hear this word more often in the future). They are only missing giant grey flat-top pyramids: jusy as cold, efficient and brutalistic.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by toyg »

jacooper wrote: post #147
maskedinvader wrote: post #129

Can we at HN at-least refer to the author as immigrant as opposed to expats? what's an expat anyways ? why does the western world to get to make these tiers where they are expats but arabs, asians, africans etc are all immigrants ?

I think he is an expat, because he is writing from the perspective of the west. Also an expat left because he/she wanted to, not forced to.

A lot of economic migrants from the global South are not technically forced to leave: you can live a life of subsistence almost everywhere nowadays. They just think they'll have a better future elsewhere, exactly like expats.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by satvikpendem »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #122
jasonjei wrote: post #63

I used to travel to China all the time for work during my first job in 2008. Those times were super optimistic. Hong Kong was filled with Chinese pride, and it seemed inevitable that China would absorb Taiwan. China had just hosted the Olympics. I visited Hong Kong late 2018 after many years of not having been there. It was a very different place from the Hong Kong I had visited in 2009-2011. The energy was a bit dar…

> and it seemed inevitable that China would absorb Taiwan. No, it's unrealistic to think the the ROC would ever effectively surrender to the PRC however HK's reintegration was managed.

Your statement does not falsify the quoted statement; both can be true that the ROC would not surrender and that China might inevitably absorb Taiwan. If we want to get really pedantic, no timeline was also stated, so this could also be 50 to 500 years from now.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by majormajor »

akomtu wrote: post #195
livueta wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1, at least anecdotally, at least in T1 cities: I spent a few months in Shanghai for work in 2018 and all of my local colleagues had messed up housing situations of one flavor or another. One guy lived alone in a shoebox but when he had a free weekend, he'd take the train ~2h out to a smaller city where his family lived in a decent house. There were also a lot of complaints about apartment quality even/especially in…

"identical enormous tower after identical enormous tower" That's the drukkhar architecture (we'll get to hear this word more often in the future). They are only missing giant grey flat-top pyramids: jusy as cold, efficient and brutalistic.

The same thing is common in the US, it's just "a complex of ten identical four story apartment buildings" or "an HOA development of nothing but three distinct similar house plans over and over and over again all the same color."

It's efficiency (fewer variants to make) + risk-minimization (design as a way of offending as few as possible for $$$ maximization instead of a way of expressing something).

Re: Leaving China

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Post by RedCondor »

albertopv wrote: post #188
RedCondor wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm Latin American and very, very happy we have China as an alternative to America's tyrannical Monroe Doctrine. The demonization of China feels incredibly absurd, like when someone wearing an exceedingly ugly outfit, lacking self-awareness, tries to criticize someone else's fashion.

And yet you are writing it on an american website and no one is censoring you. In China you have to be very careful of what you say and write, or you may just disappear from society, they don't need to kill anyone anymore, they even did it to former president, live. They remove you and that's it.

In America, working class people get killed by cops and corporations with little recourse.

In China, elites get disciplined by the party with little recourse.

It's a matter of which class you see yourself in.

>According to Harvard University’s large-scale 2003-2016 study tracking the evolution of public opinion via 32,000 individual respondents, at the time of the study’s conclusion “95.5 percent of respondents were either ‘relatively satisfied’ or ‘highly satisfied’ with Beijing.”

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-sur...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Leaving China

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Post by 908B64B197 »

adastra22 wrote: post #187
908B64B197 wrote: post #20

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There's a legal distinction. At least in America. An immigrant has an intent to settle, an expat doesn't. In America, one could theoretically lose work authorization should he refer or present himself as an immigrant.

Uh, no. The only legal definition of expat in US law is someone who gives up their citizenship or green card.

Technically yes. The legal term for someone on temporary work authorization without an intent to immigrate would be something like "non-immigrant alien resident". The common term would be... expat.
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