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Certifications create wrong incentives for engineers and recruiters

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Re: Certifications create wrong incentives for engineers and recruiters

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Author/OP here. Just heard an interesting and relevant tidbit from someone who read the post. Apparently a while ago, Google fed resumes of employees into an ML model and correlated several metrics to the success of a specific engineer at Google. There was a lot of interesting data gathered from that but one that stood out was exactly that the number of certifications listed was inversely proportional to the engineer…

Do certifications inversely correlate with careers success, or do certifications inversely correlate with age? Older engineers probably don't have heaps of certs because they can fill a resume with prior experience. Additionally, Coursera/Udemy/edX and the like are relatively new and it's more likely that younger people would take more advantage of them. A junior engineer compensates lack of experience by using education and certs as evidence. The key part here is that older engineers are more likely to be senior, and by extension have "greater career success". That doesn't mean there's a direct correlation between certs and success.

I think there's a whole bunch of control variables to worry about before we could take anything meaningful from that data.

Re: Certifications create wrong incentives for engineers and recruiters

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As a consultant, I can always tell which engineering consultants are going to be worthless. The engineers with tons of certs absolutely suck. Recently worked with one who had like 4 professional grade AWS certs and they couldn’t do anything in AWS

I personally developed an aversion for candidates with multiple certifications on their resume.

They feel to me more like a proof of lack of skills rather than a proof of skills. People with skills tend to not need these, as their track record show for themselves.

I still take them for interviews because some of them got them by accident, as part of their jobs, but I agree they're overall a pretty bad sign.

If you've spare time and want to show your skill, work on personal projects or open source contributions, your time would be much better invested

Re: Certifications create wrong incentives for engineers and recruiters

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read TFA, they do comparisons based on the certifying agency.

I did TFA: This is what you mean right?: Coursera LinkedIn Triplebyte Microsoft Amazon Web Services (AWS) Oracle Udacity Udemy HackerRank Cisco Are you trying to say you can tell what industry the cert is for based on that alone? Microsoft? Cisco? Haha, Udemy????

I think you can infer industry from some of those, but mea culpa; you were focused on a different angle and it was my reading comprehension that was flawed.

Re: Certifications create wrong incentives for engineers and recruiters

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One thing I've been thinking about is getting a GCP certification to increase GCP recruiter reachout down the road, as I've really enjoyed working with GCP and would like to stick with it in future work. Guess I'll just do more keyword work in the LinkedIn. :)

Exactly. I'm an independent consultant and I just got my AWS Pro cert for marketing reasons.

And how is it going, did it make any difference?
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