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Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

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Claiming to do $X if $Y happens and then not doing it is different than claiming to have done $X already despite this being false. In the first case it could be hyperbole, circumstances could change, it could be a statement made in the heat of the moment, etc. In the latter it is just a lie, or if money is at play, fraud. If I recall correctly there were many republicans that claimed their kind would be deported if B…

> At least those who predicted Trump would act like a fascist got it right. When? So far, the most fascists of last 3 presidents has been Obama and Biden. They hate checks and balances and want to just rule by fiat. It pissed me off for giving Democrats anything for politicizing Covid for electoral benefits, but Trump negotiated with Pelosi to get things done. When has Biden negotiated with Conservatives? Aside from…

Sorry, but pretending the word "fascism" has no definition that one could check the meaning of is something you can try on your social media where you preach to the choir, but on this platform such a simpleton strategy is not gonna fly. If you truly think Donald "I could shoot a guy on 5th avenue" Trump is not fascist, while Dem presidents are, you better being some examples here that meet an actual definition of the word.

I am not from the US and do not intend to travel there any time soon, so I couldn't care less about your internal quarrels, but Trump meets many of the criteria. Most famously the Italian writer Umberto Eco coined these 14 signs of fascism after having lived in fascist Italy (under Mussolini).

I quote it from Wikipedia here, follow allong and tick the boxes for each president, then count who has the most boxes. Ah and also search for critical stuff on the guy you like:

1. "The cult of tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.

2. "The rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.

3. "The cult of action for action's sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.

4. "Disagreement is treason" – fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.

5. "Fear of difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.

6. "Appeal to a frustrated middle class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.

7. "Obsession with a plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's "fear" of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also antisemitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.

8. Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak". On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.

9. "Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy" because "life is permanent warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.

10. "Contempt for the weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate leader, who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.

11. "Everybody is educated to become a hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."

12. "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality".

13. "Selective populism" – the people, conceived monolithically, have a common will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the voice of the people".

14. "Newspeak" – fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

#132
post #123

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I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. I go one step further with this logic. Grown men watching other men play a sport that they like to play with their friends is equally weird.

This is pretty narrow minded. I like playing basketball. I will never be as good as Lebron James. It's fun to watch someone else play at the edge of what is possible. I might even learn something I can use myself. I like software development. I'll never be as good as John Carmack. It's fun to watch someone else talk and think about what I like. I might even learn something. Don't steal other people's joy just because…

> This is pretty narrow minded

As narrow minded as claiming people who watch a certain type of YouTube video must necessarily have a "bland life"

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

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Just an aside, but I've noticed a lot of popular video trends among the younger generation revolve around watching somebody you don't really know, doing things I would I've done with friends. Reaction videos, eating things, hanging out and making jokes, making a stupid contest, trying some new experience... It's like there is an entire part of the children/teen population that have such a bland life they feel good wh…

> It's like there is an entire part of the children/teen population that have such a bland life they feel good while watching somebody else living it.

Or consider that some portion of the population would always be interested in such videos at any time in history, and it's only in the last decade that they have unlimited access.

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

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> Is this sarcasm? No. I’m a long way — physically — from ‘the valley’, and I’m certainly not young. When I say ‘HN’ I mean the day to day discussion on this site. I know there’s VC and whatnot here but really, mostly, that’s not what I’m reading. Perhaps I subconsciously avoid it? I’m reading people who are passionate about technology. I’m reading nerds who love a new thing. That’s what brings me back here day after…

You are making judgement calls on people's personalities based on not very much. HN is a public website, the discussions can be good and genuine and we can all be the same narcissistic psychopaths that are only here to accumulate HN karma that for some reason we value higher than money. Or we can all be dogs, it's the internet and you have no idea. I'd start taking online communities with a bigger grain of salt.

I’ve been online since ‘94, don’t worry about me. I’ll figure it out eventually.

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

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post #44

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I think you’ve missed the point of the comment. The point is that these people aren’t making their money from what they’re preaching, they’re making it from YouTube. Even if there were some validity to what they’re saying in the videos, if the video has 3 million views by the time you’ve watched it then you’re at least the 3 millionth fish in the packed-to-the-gills salmon farm by then and there’s no margin left for…

There's lots of similar programming videos, does that mean you should not learn programming because you'll be the 3 millionth fish? Competition exists in every niche, you still have to get better than others, there's no silver bullet.

My opinion is that you one hundred percent should not learn programming from YouTube videos. It is tremendously ineffective.

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

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Just an aside, but I've noticed a lot of popular video trends among the younger generation revolve around watching somebody you don't really know, doing things I would I've done with friends. Reaction videos, eating things, hanging out and making jokes, making a stupid contest, trying some new experience... It's like there is an entire part of the children/teen population that have such a bland life they feel good wh…

I relate to your sentiment, and then I think about how hard it was to explain to my parents why I enjoy watching others play video games.

I watch people play Squad to pick up tips and tricks and ettiquite. I watch people play other games to try to see if that would be a game that I would like to play. I watch people play DCS because I really want to play it, but don't have THAT much time to invest into a game. DCS is my favourite to watch, you learn so much about fighter jet tactics and technology.

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

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post #131

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> At least those who predicted Trump would act like a fascist got it right. When? So far, the most fascists of last 3 presidents has been Obama and Biden. They hate checks and balances and want to just rule by fiat. It pissed me off for giving Democrats anything for politicizing Covid for electoral benefits, but Trump negotiated with Pelosi to get things done. When has Biden negotiated with Conservatives? Aside from…

Sorry, but pretending the word "fascism" has no definition that one could check the meaning of is something you can try on your social media where you preach to the choir, but on this platform such a simpleton strategy is not gonna fly. If you truly think Donald "I could shoot a guy on 5th avenue" Trump is not fascist, while Dem presidents are, you better being some examples here that meet an actual definition of the…

A definition including 14 signs every one of which is optional and vague-nonbinary -- is very similar to no definition.

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

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post #18

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Calling an NFT a security might be the most charitable definition ever.

NFT are just lame collectibles. A security has to secure ownership of something tangible that's not just its own definition of value or uniqueness.

There are many traded securities which do not secure ownership of anything tangible. Too many.

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

#140
post #61

The sigma-male/get-rich-quick types (and their female equivalents in the MLM spaces) are parasites, but as with any parasite, they thrive in an unhealthy environment. Since the 1970s, the path to even modest generational wealth has been eroded. You can play the property casino, inherit your money, or maybe luck out with joining the right startup or making the right investment at the right time - or a combination ther…

The path to modest generational wealth is pretty straightforward, pay off all your debts, don't borrow money, invest at least 15% of your income toward retirement in stable low-risk index funds or managed mutuals and leave it alone. Don't waste on big toys and you'll be a millionaire in a couple decades. It's really really that simple. If your income is not enough to achieve the above state loop, then you'll need to…

> It's not hard. Anyone in America with $35,000/yr is in the 1% of the world's economic strata.

That doesn't take into account the vastly different cost of living across the world. Sure, 35k USD is a lot compared to some countries, but it's barely scraping by in most US metros.

US wages have not kept pace with the increase in cost of living and goods and services for decades.

Even if folks somehow managed to save 15% of the 35k every year for 40 years (which is really hard) they're left just touching a million with a guaranteed 8% return, and that's their retirement funds. After using those funds to live for the next ~20+ years extremely modestly doesn't leave much of anything for "generational wealth".

Unless you're already in the upper 20% the best bet remaining is to help your kids get through college and hope they get a higher paying job than you. Which is increasingly difficult as the cost of education has skyrocketed compared to wages.

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