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Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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post #5

I don't know, kids these days. You should have seen what we had to contend with in the 60s - huge lumps of flesh mangling metal, swinging at terrifying angles, throwing small children off in all directions. And no wimpy rubber mats to catch them. Sometimes, I wonder that I survived.

reminds me of when I was a kid in the UK, there was these places that was called 'funhouses' where kids was supposed to play, I was seriously terrified of dying. I'm unsure if it's my memory and/or if I was just too young

don't know about funhouse, but playgrounds were very scary. the most scary one, which would intimadate a brave man (amongst whom i was living - RAF pilots) was called "the boat" (if i remember correctly) which was a steel plank (which you sat on), supported by 4 steel struts, attached, swiveling, to a steel frame. it took some effort to get this monster swinging (like sitting on a normal swing and doing the stuff you do) but once it got going the momentum was tremendous. there was limiting mechanism to stop it going over the top. most kids too terrified to ride it to that point (humiliating admission: i was too scared).

the other scary thing you could do with it was to grab hold of the plank on the up-swing, which would boost you high in the air. you had to have a nice touch of judgement on where you let go, if you didn't want multiple broken bones.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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To add to the submission: I think there is one huge part why this is possible in the first place compared to the US, and the article just barely scrapes onto it: insurance.

Like, when a kid gets injured here in Germany, mandatory healthcare insurance picks up the cost, and even if the maintainer can be held liable it's a few thousand euros in damages ("Schmerzensgeld") at most.

In contrast, in the US healthcare insurances try to avoid paying up however possible, including shit such as forcing people to sue their family for healthcare cost. A paranoidly risk-averse society is the only thing that this can end up.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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I remember when I was a teen I started noticing how the nanny state had managed to remove all the old swings I used to play with and replaced them with some tiny and safe swings that no one even uses anymore. Children even started wearing yellow safety vests to school all of a sudden. I'm glad there's at least some backlash to this nonsense.

> Children even started wearing yellow safety vests to school all of a sudden. Given how many accidents happen on the way to school ("Schulwegunfälle", yes we have a dedicated word for it), it's absolutely necessary. 62k accidents in 2021, and 16 dead kids [1]. A large part of the cause is how absurdly car-centric our cities are - and yet, we're harmless compared to the US. [1] https://www.dguv.de/de/zahlen-fakten/sc…

It's getting better, at least in Berlin.

Besides, the quality of the drivers in Germany is far better than in the US in my experience.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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Someone I know designed playgrounds. One of his core concepts was that there's two aspects to safety.

One is subjective. Like when you're high up and you see the ground beneath you, you know it'll hurt if you fall down, so you're more careful moving around.

Then there's all the hidden dangers that kids don't think about or see[1], like a small gap where a cord from the clothing can get attached potentially leading to suffocation.

The point being, the first aspect is something the kids should be able to expose themselves to. It teaches them about risk, but also can give them a goal and a sense of achievement when they finally dare to do something and succeed. His point was that this is an important part of their development, which could have knock-on effects later.

However the playground should be designed such that any accident should not lead to permanent injury or death. Sure they might get a bit banged up if they misjudge, lesson hopefully learned, but nothing permanent.

He was often in Germany to study their playgrounds for inspiration, and this article illustrates nicely why.

[1]: https://www.utdanningsnytt.no/barnehage-grunnskole-leker/her...

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

#27

I remember when I was a teen I started noticing how the nanny state had managed to remove all the old swings I used to play with and replaced them with some tiny and safe swings that no one even uses anymore. Children even started wearing yellow safety vests to school all of a sudden. I'm glad there's at least some backlash to this nonsense.

> Children even started wearing yellow safety vests to school all of a sudden. Given how many accidents happen on the way to school ("Schulwegunfälle", yes we have a dedicated word for it), it's absolutely necessary. 62k accidents in 2021, and 16 dead kids [1]. A large part of the cause is how absurdly car-centric our cities are - and yet, we're harmless compared to the US. [1] https://www.dguv.de/de/zahlen-fakten/sc…

> 16 dead kids

of course every preventable death is too much and we should be aiming at zero...but 16 doesn't seem that much? I would have guessed more for sure.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

#28
post #5

I don't know, kids these days. You should have seen what we had to contend with in the 60s - huge lumps of flesh mangling metal, swinging at terrifying angles, throwing small children off in all directions. And no wimpy rubber mats to catch them. Sometimes, I wonder that I survived.

I took a steel see-saw to the face on one of those playgrounds in the 1970’s. My little sister pulled her end down, which caused my end to shoot up unexpectedly. Ouch. Ruined my day for sure.

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Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

#29

I remember when I was a teen I started noticing how the nanny state had managed to remove all the old swings I used to play with and replaced them with some tiny and safe swings that no one even uses anymore. Children even started wearing yellow safety vests to school all of a sudden. I'm glad there's at least some backlash to this nonsense.

> Children even started wearing yellow safety vests to school all of a sudden. Given how many accidents happen on the way to school ("Schulwegunfälle", yes we have a dedicated word for it), it's absolutely necessary. 62k accidents in 2021, and 16 dead kids [1]. A large part of the cause is how absurdly car-centric our cities are - and yet, we're harmless compared to the US. [1] https://www.dguv.de/de/zahlen-fakten/sc…

accident is not the preferred term considering people intentionally drive the way we do

https://laist.com/news/car-crash-accident-traffic-violence-l...

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

#30
It is hard to explain, but this headline makes me sad, very sad.

Not because german children are supposedly put at risk, not at all...

It is the tone of finger pointing. Risk is what eventually makes us grow.

A totally risk free world/life would be utterly worthless living, and perhaps a reason to attempt suicide.

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