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Cocaine production reaches record levels as new trafficking hubs emerge

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Re: Cocaine production reaches record levels as new trafficking hubs emerge

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You can make a pretty compelling argument that those narco states developed because of the war on drugs

Potentially, yes. But that case would only be good against poor _execution_ of the war on drugs, not the _concept_ that drugs need to be dealt with as if we were in a war. Activists seem to oppose the concept, which is where I disagree.

Real drug war has never been tried!

Re: Cocaine production reaches record levels as new trafficking hubs emerge

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Like some other things the news pushes, drugs are always on the rise. >While the report said the markets in Africa and Asia were "still limited Maybe because they put you to death for importation in South East Asia.

Having lived in Asia (low drug problems) and Latin America (drug-dominated hellhole) I much prefer the way drugs (and dealers) are dealt with in Asia than in Latam. The idea that waging war on drugs is a bad one sounds like a nut idea from out-of-touch people who have never been to a narco-state like Brazil, Mexico, or Colombia.

It’s not like this is a new phenomena either. People need to go read up on the opium wars a bit.

We have data point after data point about the destructiveness of drugs on people - either it’s fentanyl or more “legal” opiates.

The idea of hardcore legalization is the ultimate outcome of capitalism without morality or awareness of consequences.

Re: Cocaine production reaches record levels as new trafficking hubs emerge

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I think I'm on the wrong forum. Does anyone know where the 15 year veterans of HN have gone to so I can hang out there?

I’ve been around HN a long time. My cohort gave up the stuff bc of age related concerns and see the contamination as a sign we won’t be walking back that decision.

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Re: Cocaine production reaches record levels as new trafficking hubs emerge

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post #6

Like some other things the news pushes, drugs are always on the rise. >While the report said the markets in Africa and Asia were "still limited Maybe because they put you to death for importation in South East Asia.

Having lived in Asia (low drug problems) and Latin America (drug-dominated hellhole) I much prefer the way drugs (and dealers) are dealt with in Asia than in Latam. The idea that waging war on drugs is a bad one sounds like a nut idea from out-of-touch people who have never been to a narco-state like Brazil, Mexico, or Colombia.

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Re: Cocaine production reaches record levels as new trafficking hubs emerge

#26
post #6

Like some other things the news pushes, drugs are always on the rise. >While the report said the markets in Africa and Asia were "still limited Maybe because they put you to death for importation in South East Asia.

Having lived in Asia (low drug problems) and Latin America (drug-dominated hellhole) I much prefer the way drugs (and dealers) are dealt with in Asia than in Latam. The idea that waging war on drugs is a bad one sounds like a nut idea from out-of-touch people who have never been to a narco-state like Brazil, Mexico, or Colombia.

The war on drugs is the sole cause of drug-related violence. If you want to end violence related to the drug trade in free societies, the solution is to end the drug war, not mass executions.

Re: Cocaine production reaches record levels as new trafficking hubs emerge

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having lived in Asia (low drug problems) and Latin America (drug-dominated hellhole) I much prefer the way drugs (and dealers) are dealt with in Asia than in Latam. The idea that waging war on drugs is a bad one sounds like a nut idea from out-of-touch people who have never been to a narco-state like Brazil, Mexico, or Colombia.

It’s not like this is a new phenomena either. People need to go read up on the opium wars a bit. We have data point after data point about the destructiveness of drugs on people - either it’s fentanyl or more “legal” opiates. The idea of hardcore legalization is the ultimate outcome of capitalism without morality or awareness of consequences.

> The idea of hardcore legalization is the ultimate outcome of capitalism without morality or awareness of consequences.

Don't know if I buy this. In general, parties pushing for legalization fall more on the left side of the political spectrum. I can also appreciated that libertarians on the far-right think the same (shoehorn theory?) but on the right this is a fringe opinion, unlike in the left.

Re: Cocaine production reaches record levels as new trafficking hubs emerge

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Potentially, yes. But that case would only be good against poor _execution_ of the war on drugs, not the _concept_ that drugs need to be dealt with as if we were in a war. Activists seem to oppose the concept, which is where I disagree.

Real drug war has never been tried!

I appreciate the humor! I'd also argue that Singapore does "war on drugs" pretty well.

Re: Cocaine production reaches record levels as new trafficking hubs emerge

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post #6

Like some other things the news pushes, drugs are always on the rise. >While the report said the markets in Africa and Asia were "still limited Maybe because they put you to death for importation in South East Asia.

Having lived in Asia (low drug problems) and Latin America (drug-dominated hellhole) I much prefer the way drugs (and dealers) are dealt with in Asia than in Latam. The idea that waging war on drugs is a bad one sounds like a nut idea from out-of-touch people who have never been to a narco-state like Brazil, Mexico, or Colombia.

Narco-states (and the ensuing migrant crisis), the US carceral state, fentanyl overdoses, organized crime, gang violence and many other second-order effects are consequences of drug prohibition, not consequences of the fact that we are too lax with drugs.
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