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Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Re: Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Post by driscoll42 »

starkd wrote: post #33
barrysteve wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was well before the Trump election. Colbert told him that the authorities would come after him in his 2007 appearance on the Colbert Report. The minute he published Collateral Murder, a video maximizing publicity on a fatal error in America's war effort, that was it for Assange and Wikileaks.

And notice how these fatal errors are still occurring. The moment you question the proxy war in Ukraine, you are immediately labelled a Putin apologist. No calls for diplomacy. Meanwhile, 200,000 Ukrainians have been led to their deaths.

Strange how you don't comment on the many more Russians that Putin has murdered by his unprovoked war of aggression as well.

Re: Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Post by nico »

psychphysic wrote: post #22
superkuh wrote: post #2

It's pretty clear what happened. People started to view the reporting of Wikileaks as evil or fake as soon as it negatively impacted $theirpoliticalside. Once these perceptions fell into place it was easy to disregard all the good, villify him personally, and ignore the authoritarian and illegal actions taken against him.

This is precisely it. My pet theory is that the true effect of "cancel culture" isn't really on rich/popular people. But the public cancelling means on an individual level social groups eventually become homogeneous in their views. The result is you must eject any idea, person or news source which doesn't 100% align with the current group values. The outcome is that entities which don't take sides are the real victim…

> But the public cancelling means on an individual level social groups eventually become homogeneous in their views.

> The result is you must eject any idea, person or news source which doesn't 100% align with the current group values.

That’s essentially human society.

We organize ourselves in races, countries, cultures, religions, sports teams, etc.

We are constantly excluding others and trying to belong to certain groups.

The issue is when it becomes extreme and a group decides that all other groups should be exterminated.

Re: Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Post by mhh__ »

snehk wrote: post #18
superkuh wrote: post #2

It's pretty clear what happened. People started to view the reporting of Wikileaks as evil or fake as soon as it negatively impacted $theirpoliticalside. Once these perceptions fell into place it was easy to disregard all the good, villify him personally, and ignore the authoritarian and illegal actions taken against him.

It's really this simple. Shows that it was never about the fact that he provided information but about the fact that he provided information that could be used by $mypoliticalside.

They were working directly with them, not just leaving seeds for the birds to come for later.

Make of it what you will but it's apparently an undisputed fact.

Re: Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Post by AutumnCurtain »

starkd wrote: post #33
barrysteve wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was well before the Trump election. Colbert told him that the authorities would come after him in his 2007 appearance on the Colbert Report. The minute he published Collateral Murder, a video maximizing publicity on a fatal error in America's war effort, that was it for Assange and Wikileaks.

And notice how these fatal errors are still occurring. The moment you question the proxy war in Ukraine, you are immediately labelled a Putin apologist. No calls for diplomacy. Meanwhile, 200,000 Ukrainians have been led to their deaths.

Thank God no Russians have died in this "proxy war" they were so unable to avoid

Re: Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Post by [deleted] »

starkd wrote: post #33
barrysteve wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was well before the Trump election. Colbert told him that the authorities would come after him in his 2007 appearance on the Colbert Report. The minute he published Collateral Murder, a video maximizing publicity on a fatal error in America's war effort, that was it for Assange and Wikileaks.

And notice how these fatal errors are still occurring. The moment you question the proxy war in Ukraine, you are immediately labelled a Putin apologist. No calls for diplomacy. Meanwhile, 200,000 Ukrainians have been led to their deaths.

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Re: Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Post by ramchip »

starkd wrote: post #33
barrysteve wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was well before the Trump election. Colbert told him that the authorities would come after him in his 2007 appearance on the Colbert Report. The minute he published Collateral Murder, a video maximizing publicity on a fatal error in America's war effort, that was it for Assange and Wikileaks.

And notice how these fatal errors are still occurring. The moment you question the proxy war in Ukraine, you are immediately labelled a Putin apologist. No calls for diplomacy. Meanwhile, 200,000 Ukrainians have been led to their deaths.

I... what? Around me, questioning the war gets you labelled as Putin critic, not an apologist. He literally started the war.

Re: Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Post by raverbashing »

starkd wrote: post #33
barrysteve wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was well before the Trump election. Colbert told him that the authorities would come after him in his 2007 appearance on the Colbert Report. The minute he published Collateral Murder, a video maximizing publicity on a fatal error in America's war effort, that was it for Assange and Wikileaks.

And notice how these fatal errors are still occurring. The moment you question the proxy war in Ukraine, you are immediately labelled a Putin apologist. No calls for diplomacy. Meanwhile, 200,000 Ukrainians have been led to their deaths.

Yes Russia invades a country but somehow it's a "proxy war"

I don't know why you question the Putin apologist moniker, the alternatives are way worse. At least own it up

Re: Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Post by seagullz »

masfuerte wrote: post #8

There is an important missing detail. The Swedes agreed to interview Assange about the rape allegations in London but the British Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) put pressure on the Swedes not to. The CPS deleted the emails they sent to the Swedes and we only know of their existence because of a FOI request on the Swedish side. Why were the supposedly politically independent CPS so keen to get Assange extradited to S…

The same machinery and MO that treacherously took down Jeremy Corbyn apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elp18OvnNV0

Re: Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Post by [deleted] »

starkd wrote: post #36
yesenadam wrote: post #3

What a sorry, shameful saga. I found this story linked to on rms' home page: > Our next rally for Julian Assange is Saturday, March 4 at 11:30 to 12:30pm. We will gather at Park St. Station on the Boston Common to speak out for Assange and gather signatures on our petition to our senators. (See how the media failed Julian Assange at Harper's Magazine.) https://stallman.org/

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