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I feel the same way, but I know that moving to Linux isn't for me. My approach has been to run a Hackintosh, which provides excellent compatibility, reliability and parts availability, and resist upgrading macOS at every major update. I'm currently still on 10.14 and haven't been forced off it yet, and maybe never will. Generally, if something requires a more recent version, I just reject it. There tends to be a posi…

That's odd - I'd prefer the opposite tradeoff. Apple hardware is excellent but for me their software design choices are usually the problem. Even the much-lauded excellence in UX doesn't really hold up any more. But at least you can close the lid on a Macbook, put it in your bag and be secure in the knowledge it won't decide to switch on and probably cause permanent heat damage to itself. (looking at you windows...)

> But at least you can close the lid on a Macbook ...

Macs have the same issue, but you can turn off the feature that causes it.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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For those who might prefer text over video: Q: What's your operating system of choice, today? A: I have for most of my life, because I was sort of born into it, run Apple. Right now, recently, meaning within the last five years, I’ve become more and more and more depressed and [Laughter] what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious, but they are taking a lot of space and time to d…

"..what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious.." Anyone know what his specific issues are?

Having to install xcode to compile C code?

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I don't think there are specific issues. The problem is that with each release of macOS usability, reliability and performance regress. If you're interested in these things and not so much in "bling" and questionable new features, then you'd share probably Ken's "atrocious" opinion. An example is the latest System Preferences. It's virtually unusable.

The latest system preferences are an improvement to me. It was a mess before and it’s still a mess but the app layout makes it easier to browse, and at least it’s consistent with iOS.

Why does a desktop OS need to be consistent with a 5" touchscreen phone?

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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With the pi 4 you can boot off a USB3 drive like a SSD. I setup a 4gb memory model with SSD boot and it's a flawless little desktop--it runs full gnome and Ubuntu just fine. If you can get a 8gb memory model it would be perfect. I love it.

An Intel NUC is not much more than the top tier Raspberry Pi, once you get a case and stuff it needs, but is orders of magnitude faster. I got one and installed Linux Mint on it. It's a much, much better system than the Raspberry Pi 4 I have.

I bought my pi 4 at launch in 2020 before the shortages and scalping, it was $49 IIRC. There is no Intel NUC that's only 50 bucks. And I like that the pi is aarch64 architecture as I am developing for that architecture.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I'd summarize it more as him saying he's choosing to opt out of Apple's direction because he doesn't like it. Was there something beyond that...calling for Apple's demise?

I'm referring to the audience laughing and then clapping when he mentions he's depressed about Apple.

What’s wrong with other people agreeing? Maybe they like Linux too. Also, why does it matter to you if people have a different opinion?

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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post #102

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"..what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious.." Anyone know what his specific issues are?

Having to install xcode to compile C code?

The command line tools are enough. I have never used Xcode and I compile stuff all the time.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I don't think there are specific issues. The problem is that with each release of macOS usability, reliability and performance regress. If you're interested in these things and not so much in "bling" and questionable new features, then you'd share probably Ken's "atrocious" opinion. An example is the latest System Preferences. It's virtually unusable.

The latest system preferences are an improvement to me. It was a mess before and it’s still a mess but the app layout makes it easier to browse, and at least it’s consistent with iOS.

It forces you to search to do anything useful, since the grouping is all over the place, and the search feature is really poor.

> and at least it’s consistent with iOS

What a huge win for Mac users.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I don't think there are specific issues. The problem is that with each release of macOS usability, reliability and performance regress. If you're interested in these things and not so much in "bling" and questionable new features, then you'd share probably Ken's "atrocious" opinion. An example is the latest System Preferences. It's virtually unusable.

Apple ecosystem is no longer software - only apps. It’s hard to do(code) normal things on the OS because of all of the fancy “security”

What code is prevented by security? Other than limits to kexts, your code isn’t beholden to most of the system security changes unless you specifically opt in to make a sandboxed app.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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For those who might prefer text over video: Q: What's your operating system of choice, today? A: I have for most of my life, because I was sort of born into it, run Apple. Right now, recently, meaning within the last five years, I’ve become more and more and more depressed and [Laughter] what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious, but they are taking a lot of space and time to d…

"..what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious.." Anyone know what his specific issues are?

I don't know the exact issues but might be related to the issues why I left Apple : I was developing a very successful little tool for MacOS ( https://github.com/milgra/macmediakeyforwarder ) which listened for keypresses. From 2016 to 2019 it became harder and harder to install it because apple added more and more restrictions to apps like this. By 2019, you had to enable the application explicitly to listen for events at least in three places deep down in the system preferences, click accept in various popups and if you stuck somewhere then nobody could tell why it wasn't working. So I had a very expensive laptop and the OS didn't let me use it freely. So I just switched to freebsd and linux. Hardware quality is far away from Apple's but it is cheap, I don't have fancy productivity apps like photoshop and final cut but with open source tools and with my own desktop applications I created the best looking/most usable desktop experience MacOS will never have. ( https://swayos.github.io/ )

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I wonder why he'd transition to Raspbian and work on a Raspberry Pi.

Maybe to get that nostalgic "let's wait 4 minutes for our 20 line program to compile" feeling again that he must have had in the late 60's and early 70's :P

People: "Linux is not ready for the desktop."

Ken: "You know nothing. Compared to what I'm used to, it's been ready since version 0.01."

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