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American colleges in crisis with enrollment decline largest on record

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Re: American colleges in crisis with enrollment decline largest on record

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Post by lithos »

swagasaurus-rex wrote: post #9
birdyrooster wrote: post #4

The stigma of not going to college is going away.

I hope so. You can learn from youtube same as a professors lecturing.

Returning to college, YouTube videos are far higher quality and ability than most lecturers. It's nearly impossible for for a "speech" to beat someone with unlimited retakes/recuts/similar anyways.

The places where professors should beat a YouTuber is being able to use experience from past classes (which they kinda don't seem to, since there's always a video for common misconceptions). And cases where it's impossible to "watch" with classes that need a high level of participation.

Of course something like grades are a good driver to get students to cover every topic, instead of grazing the ones they like. (Again not something impossible to get gamified a different way).

Re: American colleges in crisis with enrollment decline largest on record

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rocket_surgeron wrote: post #79
sourcecodeplz wrote: post #12

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>if you don't see things a specific way you might get canceled for life. Every time I ask for examples people get angry, or if they're mask-off they reply with a very obviously drug-addicted hyper-racist, hyper-sexist, men's rights advocate who is pretending to be a doctor or guru or alpha male and who is, as part of their "cancellation", raking in millions from basement dwelling losers who like being told that they…

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Re: American colleges in crisis with enrollment decline largest on record

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Post by insickness »

rocket_surgeron wrote: post #79
sourcecodeplz wrote: post #12

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>if you don't see things a specific way you might get canceled for life. Every time I ask for examples people get angry, or if they're mask-off they reply with a very obviously drug-addicted hyper-racist, hyper-sexist, men's rights advocate who is pretending to be a doctor or guru or alpha male and who is, as part of their "cancellation", raking in millions from basement dwelling losers who like being told that they…

Do you not even notice the anger in your response? This is exactly the kind of response to different points of view that he's talking about.

Re: American colleges in crisis with enrollment decline largest on record

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Post by skissane »

Dalewyn wrote: post #80
skissane wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have answered your argument. The only person “trying to evade” here is you.

You keep talking about lefts and rights, while I'm saying I don't see any difference of substance between class, race, and sexuality insofar as it regards to politics. At best you're misunderstanding, at worst you're disingenuous, and either way you aren't carrying your half of the conversation.

I’m talking about “left” because how to define that term is the topic of conversation. And I don’t see how could can define “left” without defining “right” - the two terms have always existed as a pair.

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Post by emodendroket »

CalRobert wrote: post #46
emodendroket wrote: post #10

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This idea sounds a lot more appealing when nobody has to specify which services they think should be cut.

Everything athletic.

I suspect that wouldn't even be a financially positive decision for universities.

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Post by emodendroket »

tacker2000 wrote: post #66
lelanthran wrote: post #52

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> [Cut] Everything athletic. Yeah, but then the sports fans would cry "Cut everything musical". The band members would argue "Cut everything on stage", and the drama society would return with "Cut all the sports". FWIW, I don't think that sports should have a large place in tertiary educational institutions. It is the activity that has minimal positive impact on education, and largely negative educational impact on t…

In Europe historically no university has such a large body of sports/teams/etc. You can do without. But of course there are other factors here, like branding, broadcasting fees and the like that would make it very hard to get rid of now.

Maybe so but in the United States athletics have been a big part of universities for a long time; it is a relatively recent phenomenon that they have been surpassed by professional leagues. I don't think I even agree that there's no benefit to students from having them.

Re: American colleges in crisis with enrollment decline largest on record

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

bbbbzzz1 wrote: post #21

The admin bloat ought to be cut in order to qualify for federal student loans. I'm always baffled how much tuition was at my public university, yet teacher and TA salaries are so low. It's like everything except academics attached itself to drain money from students

If the top executives of the university aren't making 10s of millions of dollars, then it can't be a very good university. We should pay them more, much more, as its the only way to improve post-secondary education.

There should only be a single tenured faculty position and every one else is an adjunct or post-doc who gets paid $500 to teach a course. These adjuncts and post-docs have to work very hard for decades for a chance to be considered on the list to replace the tenured prof when they retire. Think the money that can then be directed to the university president and all the acclaim and prestige that high salary will give to institution. This is the only way forward.

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