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Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

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Post by nor-and-or-not »

austin-cheney wrote: post #19
FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those people still need to eat and pay rent so maybe we should solve that before making who knows how many millions of people jobless.

Then they can find employment in industries facing dire shortages like education and nursing. If the only goal is to put unqualified people into seats for a paycheck then it doesn’t matter what they do for income.

Wow, so everyone is qualified as teacher or nurse? It seems to me that you have no respect and knowledge of those jobs and the people doing them.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

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Post by rs_rs_rs_rs_rs »

timwheeler wrote: post #50
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #5

This reminds me of a tweet I saw couple of weeks ago from someone(I don't remember who it was) that said the reason they ship stuff fast is because they're using jQuery. Focus on what you're building and use the tools you're experienced with, don't jump on every fad.

Was it @levelsio?

Yes! https://twitter.com/levelsio/status/1633466912024973319

Thank you

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

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Post by lozenge »

411111111111111 wrote: post #160
gregjor wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My career predates relational/SQL databases so I can confirm what you wrote. When Oracle came out the buzz was that a whole bunch of programmers would go away because managers and executives could write queries in a “natural” English-like language. That never happened. SQL is hard to master, but it’s the easy part of understanding the relational model and any particular schema. Instead Oracle and the other RDBMSs tha…

Mine doesn't predate it but it's very confusing for me to read this opinion. From my point of view, it totally did happen? Can you imagine how many programmers the company would've needed to get all the data a business analyst casually queries per day? What you're looking at is the quantity of people actually employed in the industry, not how many SQL made obsolete. The industry just grew so much that it didn't becom…

The industry grew because the desire for data analysis grew, which is because the technology's ability to meet the desire grew. This can repeat itself a couple more times.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

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Post by anoy8888 »

austin-cheney wrote: post #8

That sounds like a good thing. There are many people paid to write software who absolutely cannot write original code and have no idea how things actually work. A lot of that can be, and probably should be, eliminated by AI.

What is considered “original code” ? The code you are writing is probably not original and is built upon layers and layers of abstraction that eventually translated into 0s and 1s . AI or perhaps chatgpt20 could become another such abstraction layer .

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Post by fhd2 »

matwood wrote: post #109
5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #83

People will always want things cheaper and faster (value) - looking at AI as "chat" or textbox or AI autocomplete is wrong imo - companies will come that utilise AI to deliver things faster and cheaper - you quote $10k and 1 month, we will do it in $1k 1 week - first to go is low value difficult to automate work which is already offshored and commoditised (basic webdev, graphic design) - later the middle tier of work…

On one hand you’re right, but you’re missing the other side - business requirements have always expanded with each innovation. Basic web dev has been commoditized for awhile, but a company of any size requires much more than basic web dev. Humanity has an uncanny ability to devour any excess capacity, and I see no reason it won’t do the same with things AI makes easier/lower cost. What I do worry about is that AI wil…

"Humanity has an uncanny ability to devour any excess capacity"

Well put!

You could also see the pressure on lower skilled jobs as a positive thing in that light, I suppose: Right now it's not super cheap to run a terrible call center. If five years from now you'll essentially get that for free, companies might see an opportunity to rise above "cheap and terrible" to be more competitive, which would likely create jobs again. Jobs which, however, don't have the main goal of being done cheap and terribly. A way more level playing field than what we have today, where companies compete by chosing the areas in which they want to shine.

Maybe terrible writing, art and customer service becoming nearly free _can_ be a tipping point of sorts. It only wouldn't be if nobody cares, then the market will adjust for that. But I'm not giving up on consumers just yet.

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Post by eps »

choppsv1 wrote: post #33

I love to code, as much as I loved math in college, but coding paid better and I'm pretty good at it. Those were my choices though b/c I want to do something I love. Sure, I keep my eye on the "Delivered Value" by making sure I engineer solutions to real problems, but I've never wanted to move out of coding and into managing engineers to build stuff. I want to code. It seems to me that the advice given here would be…

Love to code is rooted in the love to create.

This is not going away with the AI in the picture.

It will be just different.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

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Post by foepys »

ookblah wrote: post #105

I agree with this mindset. There was a leap forward in productivity to accomplish your goals that modern IDEs/stacks brought and all the new tooling with it. What took massive teams before can now be done w/ a handful or even a single person. AI will just accelerate this type of work. As elitist as this sounds, when I hear people being afraid of stuff like this it makes me feel like we are in the period where people…

Honestly, Delphi's WYSIWYG GUI editor in the late 90s felt way more productive to me than all this Electron "cross-platform" JavaScript React thing today where you need to take of about 1000 random dependencies to render a rectangle.
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