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American colleges in crisis with enrollment decline largest on record

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Re: American colleges in crisis with enrollment decline largest on record

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The admin bloat ought to be cut in order to qualify for federal student loans.

I'm always baffled how much tuition was at my public university, yet teacher and TA salaries are so low. It's like everything except academics attached itself to drain money from students

Re: American colleges in crisis with enrollment decline largest on record

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I remember from some video on youtube that colleges in US used to be cheaper because government gave a lot of money to subsidise education. It stopped when government figured out that it was essentially paying to create citizens with progressive ideas and critical thought. There may be a lot of things wrong with colleges but they are essential and should be saved.

>” It stopped when government figured out that it was essentially paying to create citizens with progressive ideas and critical thought.”

I have no idea what that video is basing this on. The government continues to substantially subsidize college education through guaranteed loans, Pell grants, tax breaks, and research grants. And, colleges/universities had a reputation for “progressive ideas” since the 1960’s and it’s not like the powers that be have just recently caught on and tried to shut that down. Depending on who you ask, they’re more progressive and ideologically biased than ever.

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When’s the last time you attended university?

Myself was 2016, Masters program.

Mandatory diversity training. In a CS program.

People don't like to be preached at. Younger people even less so.

Re: American colleges in crisis with enrollment decline largest on record

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Just a couple of years ago. Masters.

I hate to break it to you, but thirty and sixty years ago, colleges were as full of lib as they are today, it's just that most of the radical causes they were getting behind have since had the benefit of the decades it takes to make it into the mainstream. (Or, like communism, have quietly been forgotten about.)

> I hate to break it to you, but thirty and sixty years ago, colleges were as full of lib as they are today, it's just that most of the radical causes they were getting behind have since had the benefit of the decades it takes to make it into the mainstream.

Sure, but it was the student body expressing their support (and not stomping on alternative viewpoints. It also wasn't the college administration and faculty stomping on alternative viewpoints back then.

Re: American colleges in crisis with enrollment decline largest on record

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The admin bloat ought to be cut in order to qualify for federal student loans. I'm always baffled how much tuition was at my public university, yet teacher and TA salaries are so low. It's like everything except academics attached itself to drain money from students

The more effective and quicker and cheaper solution is to get rid of taxpayer funded student loans. The bloat will disappear immediately.

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I hope so. You can learn from youtube same as a professors lecturing.

Most people cannot. Not only are retention and learning radically different, the vast majority of people do not have the self discipline to go through the same amount of content. If a class isn't something you're immediately interested in and no one's forcing you to go, most people end up abandoning or skipping it. Watching only the fun parts or only the parts that seem to you to be immediately relevant to your curre…

I agree with a lot of what you say except when you say "only the parts that seem to you to be immediately relevant to your current goal is not an education"

I think this sort of learning can, for somebody who is motivated, exceed the knowledge gained at a university. College is meant to give you a holistic, comprehensive overview of your major. But you can get that from sheer experience and from continuing to learn from a variety of sources. Books are also great at providing holistic knowledge on topics.

Re: American colleges in crisis with enrollment decline largest on record

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post #17

Shame that. Last time I drove past a college in the US it was the day the hat sorts people into fraternities or however that works and there was a great big cardboard sign on the lawn with a poignant message scribbled in sharpie: "Thank you for your daughters" Quite the facial expressions on parents dropping off their kids and good chunk of life savings at these ivory towers.

Interesting how this only goes one way. Would it have the same effect if at a sorority there was a sign that read "Thank you for your sons"?

Re: American colleges in crisis with enrollment decline largest on record

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a couple of years ago. Masters.

I hate to break it to you, but thirty and sixty years ago, colleges were as full of lib as they are today, it's just that most of the radical causes they were getting behind have since had the benefit of the decades it takes to make it into the mainstream. (Or, like communism, have quietly been forgotten about.)

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