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Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Your statement is not at odds with my claim, not to mention eating more fruits and veggies is an improvement for 85%+ of Americans so yea that's actually solid advice. I don't know why you think it isn't Most Americans are also sedentary and don't exercise at all so again, even just walking more is an improvement for most people. All that being said, I also have not had a doctor who didn't first ask me what my diet a…

Eating fruits and vegetables is not typically good medical advice when we’re talking about acute issues. Advice for a healthier lifestyle, more energy, longevity, etc? Yes of course. Advice for sleep apnea that’s already set in and affecting a patient nightly? Not at all.

I wasn't aware that sleep apnea is an acute issue, I could have sworn that's chronic

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Drop caffeine after noon, quite alcohol/cig/weed/screens anywhere close to bed time, keep evening meals small and low in carbs/sugar to avoid an insulin spike, wait at least 3 hours before hitting bed after a meal, more is better. Go to bed at roughly the same time every day, make sure your room is as dark as can be, make sure it's not warmer than 20c, exercise so that you're physically tired at the end of the day, o…

> make sure it's not warmer than 20c Do you have a reference for this? 20 C is freaking cold. I wake up because of cold below 23 C.

I sleep at 16c, but I'd say it's more a personal preference. As long as you feel cool while sleeping and after waking up then you should be okay.

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Do you have trouble breathing through your nose only? Other issue is people breathe through their mouth instead of nose. Get some nose strips and tape mouth shut and train yourself to breathe through your nose.

Please stop trying to diagnose me on HN without any context or background information. It's not helpful, and it's extremely condescending.

No one cares specifically about _your_ diagnosis, obviously we don't know you. You put yourself up for discussion when you posted your stance. You yourself called it a soapbox. Now people are using you as the obvious example and satisfying their curiosity.

According to your initial post, you should be glad for the questions so that you can combat misconceptions.

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Having more than two people in the house who can act as parents is a game changer. Definitely one place where modern society has slipped up, though there's some change in that with families like mine.

Do you care to elaborate? I've been thinking about this a LOT over the years. I feel like children were meant to be able to roam around and find different adults to glom onto until they're too annoyed and then move on to the next, all the while learning different specialized skills and niches to find one they fit in with. I can't help but feel that more-than-2-adult households would have a huge advantage in this era.

There's 5 of of us. Me, wife, wife's girlfriend, my girlfriend, and my girlfriend's boyfriend. To my kids me and my wife are mom and dad and responsible for primary parenting duties, but we're all one big family and help each other out. Not unlike cultures where it's normal to have many extended family members under one roof.

People lose their minds when I tell them I have three kids and that my wife and I have rarely ever had less than six hours of sleep.

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> The other thing I learned is that Big Pharma/FDA does a horrible job of listing medication side effects. I say that because "causes sleep apnea" was not on the list of side effects for carbamazeine Having designed and run clinical trials, I think your assertion based on a single experience is unreasonable. Companies are very interested in unexpected events, particularly bad ones (called “adverse events” in the jarg…

While I respect your expertise in the field, I disagree. >Companies are very interested in unexpected events, particularly bad ones (called “adverse events” in the jargon). Viagra was “discovered” because of an unanticipated side effect of a drug being tested for a heart disorder. Tell that to Moderna and Pfizer. They, nor the FDA, have shown any interest in adverse events reported by both patients and doctors to VAE…

> Scientists and researchers in the medical field need to realize everyone is different and we have different reactions to various drugs.

You really think that they do not realize this? The whole reason for phase 3 trials is to have a candidate drug tested on a sufficiently large and diverse population that represents the treatment population in order to look for these very variations.

If there is anyone who doesn’t want to recognize this, it would be the actuaries at the insurance companies.

> I guarantee you that carbamazepine was causing my apnea problems.

I never suggested otherwise. I merely said that a statistically significant number of such cases did not show up in trials so it wasn’t listed as a side effect for doctors to look out for.

Your comment about vaers doesn’t make much sense either. Vaccines have absolute insurance coverage provided by the government so that companies will make them at all. Vaers is a postmarket surveillance system for the government. Both Moderna and Pfizer’s Covid vaccines have been through the full phase 1,2,3->NDA process (i.e. no longer under emergency use authorization) including ae surveillance.

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Sleep has been my biggest issue for the last 10 years and I don't know what to do about it. Even after this time, I still have not much of an idea regarding the cause. I'm in my thirties.

Falling asleep or staying asleep is not an issue, with rare exceptions. However, how I wake up is a whole other story. I hardly remember the last time I woke up truly relaxed, that happens maybe 10 times a year. It's a huge spectrum, most of the time it is somewhere between okay-ish (feeling exhausted after waking up, but it gets much better within 1-2 hours) and super exhausted (like the biggest hangover in my younger years. Can't concentrate at all, minimal effort activities like going up a small staircase become demanding, strained cardiovascular system in general, not hungry.. in short, a lost day). How I wake up is not predictable, there is no obvious pattern or causality.

I am closer to being underweight than overweight. Even on a mediocre day, I can be cheerful. Doctors therefore do not necessarily take me seriously and things happen slowly. Personal "experiments" with an oxygen and pulse tracker clearly show ups and downs when sleeping, but not to a degree to alert doctors with. Over the course of the last 10 years, I actually did 5-6 polysomnograms at a diagnostic center, but every time it was difficult for me to get any sleep there, so the results are close to being worthless. For the 45-60 minutes of sleep that I got per night, the graphs actually did show small irregularities. Which was enough to end up with a CPAP device that I rarely use because I don't feel any better with it.

Although I'm quite sure poor sleep is the immediate reason for my exhaustion, I do not rule out that the root cause is not somatic. There is this other problem of mine, a skin disease which makes me very susceptible to sunlight, which has a severe impact on the way I life and do things. I mainly stay indoors. Doing sports, running errands etc. usually happen after sunset. Bad weather is my friend. I really like my job and colleagues and get well along with everyone, but my personal social circle is small and most of the (spare-)time, I'm alone. Although I don't feel depressed and can be cheerful on most of the days, I talked to someone in therapy for a few months, but it didn't help much. As a software engineer, rational und deterministic thinking makes me wanna try antidepressants, just for the sake of trial and error. But it didn't come to that.

By the way, the last time I went to polysomnograpy, they also did two other tests regarding daytime fatigue. I failed miserably on the first test (basically my ability to keep my pupils focused on something), but succeded in the 99.5 percentile on the second test (reaction time), which is unusual. They came to the conclusion that I have become so accustomed to the situation that my body compensates very well for it. Which coincides with my impressions and helps me in my job and daily life. But doesn't help much when it comes to overall quality of life, or... potential conseqential damages to my cardiovascular system. Over the years, I got used to this whole situation, even with all the time I lost feeling miserable. Sometimes, I'm trying to ignore it and get on with my life, there are some good days after all. But lately, there is this emerging fear of said potential damages. Being in my 30s or 40s and tied to a bed for the rest of my life due to a stroke or something similar is a thought that makes me shudder. Much more than not surviving it.

Maybe it's just plain old sleep apnea with a wrongly adjusted or otherwise not helpful CPAP device (I was at the diagnostic center for trying an ajdustment, but guess what... I just can't sleep at that place). Or maybe the root cause purely psychogenic. Or it's something in between. Which is my current guess, but would be even worse, since it requires some interdisciplinary work and thinking from doctors, which, from my experience, they don't do that much.

I have no clue what to do.

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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I've been going through another episode of sleeplessness lately. Just like it had before, it has serious detrimental effects on my overall wellbeing. I'm less trusting of others, more inclined to shirk social situations, more sensitive to antisocial behaviors in others. I struggle with telling cause from effect, because these things literally stress me out even more, exacerbating the sleep problem. I just _feel_ the…

Have you considered talking to your dr about a little sleeping pill or mirtazipine? I had a serious episode of ptsd after a natural catastrophe and I couldn't shut both eyes for months. Meds became a life saver. Sleep. It's underrated.

Mirtazapine ended up giving me blurred vision

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Any advice in overcoming insomnia? I’ve tried everything I can think of. Melatonin, various vitamin supplements, exercise, dietary changes of a wide variety, nothing seems to help. Always waking up in the middle of the night and can’t get back to sleep.

What has worked for me, but with only one month experience: An apparatus that pulls my lower teeth forward, prescribed by a doctor, that keeps me from snoring. Then suddenly, I slept so soundly that I didn’t wake up at odd times during the night. I used to wake up at 2am and stay awake until 6am, only to sleep between 6 and 8 and be late at work.

Can you share more about this apparatus, or what made your doctor think you needed this? Were you investigating sleep issues or dental issues or what.

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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I'll keep saying it: sleep apnea is vastly underdiagnosed and undertreated. I had so many weird symptoms for so long, which all gradually started to disappear as I started to get my sleep apnea treated. Unless you're fat, doctors will rarely even consider the possibility. And once you do get a polysomnogram, the usualy course of action is to throw a CPAP machine at you and send you on your way, without much followup.…

isn't sleep apnea usually related to another problem, like diet (most of the time), or smoking/drinking, another is the position of your jaw (the teeth shouldn't touch)

It's a blanket term that describes a condition where your airway collapses while you sleep, but there are lots of causes. Smoking, drinking and other substances can cause your muscles to relax and bring on apnea, as can being overweight. Lots of body builders suffer from it as their necks become developed.

The biggest "cause" once you remove factors like alcohol is heredity. You get the shape of your face from your parents, why not the anatomy of your airway as well?

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Bit rude of you to assume that I'm apparently an alcoholic or a smoker. Nice illustration of my point that public awareness on sleep apnea is lacking. Good luck figuring out the root cause of sleep apnea. Years of research hasn't turned one up. There's a wide variety of contributing factors (including weight, alcohol, asthma/COPD). But there's also plenty of fat asthmatic drunks who don't have sleep apnea. It's obvio…

Do you have trouble breathing through your nose only? Other issue is people breathe through their mouth instead of nose. Get some nose strips and tape mouth shut and train yourself to breathe through your nose.

This sounds quite dangerous if someone has apnea.
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