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SETI@home is in hibernation

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Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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> I've been running >120k gpus to mine ETH So when the sea levels rise and destroy my home, I'll know who to blame. Thank you.

At 1-3mm year, I am highly confident you'll be long dead before that happens. 120k gpus is like what USD50mio capex at least? Did you even get any of that back w/o accounting for electricity?

Oh yea, but we wasted it on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35206003

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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I am very happy that ETH switched to PoS. Now it just runs in the other data centers that are already in the same location and uses a fraction of the power. The GPUs were already made and older models. The PS5 chips were seconds that never made it into PS5's. They would have gone to waste regardless. If is really interesting to me how people have some sort of moral obligation to tell others how to spend energy. I fin…

> The GPUs were already made and older models. Just because they had already been made doesn't mean that you using them has no impact on the world. If you hadn't used them then other people would have, there would be less demand for GPUs, and fewer GPUs would be made in future. You're clearly smart enough to understand that; you just don't want to because it makes you feel guilty. Honestly I think you should just own…

> If you hadn't used them then other people would have, there would be less demand for GPUs, and fewer GPUs would be made in future.

No. They were based on stock that didn't sell. It is a common misconception with GPU mining that you had to use the latest and greatest. The 4-5 year older tech was more ROI efficient and we got access to it, so we used it. Nobody wanted it cause it was old. We put it to use for a few years and now it'll either find a new home or get recycled for parts.

> I would have the honesty to admit I basically burnt down a forest to take money from idiots.

See... that's a personal attack. I don't see things the way you do. In my eyes, attempting to build a better financial system isn't 'taking money from idiots'. Given all that's going on in the banking world today, I find it hard to believe anyone would want to continue with the status quo.

You literally have Yellen sitting in a room with her friends deciding which bank should live or die. I'd like to see that and a whole lot more in traditional finance get cleaned up. Helping get ETH off the ground was a good thing... now that it is on PoS, this whole debate about energy use, is a moot point.

> It's almost as if we all live on the same planet and the way we spend energy affects other people!

Sure, but don't be hypocritical about it. I'm sure that there are 1000's of ways that you personally don't do your part either. Ever fly in a plane to take a vacation? No one on this planet is doing a perfect job at minimizing their footprint and I certainly don't feel like I'm above anyone else to criticize others on their energy ab(use).

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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It's kinda sad. If we persisted all the hashes that have been tried, we'd have the mother of all rainbow tables. Be a bitch to search. But damn would we know the topography of the function space.

Why hasn't anyone made that crypto currency yet?

Because it would actually solve a problem?

...I'll see myself out.

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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I don't specifically miss SETI@home as much as I miss the spirit of the internet back then, the "what will they think of next!?" The idea that all of us could together could crack RSA keys wasn't just a thought exercise, people signed up and did it. Now computers are so complex and task heavy and fraught with problems it seems like more hassle than it's worth. I liked when wondering "why is my machine so slow", that…

The spirit is alive with AI.

yes, after I posted that, I had the same thought.

but we spend a lot of time here talking about the lack of openness in AI, and some justified fear of the companies that own it smothering many other sectors the way search and cloud computer got smothered and centralized. a chatGPT@home large scale group effort would be sort of cool to participate in... but then I think, so many opportunities for mal-actor exploitation

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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Are people really prejudiced against aliens and UFO’s though? Aside from the fringe conspiracy theorists fretting about lizard people, and the few claiming to have been abducted, most people seem ambivalent. Largely because whatever the UFOs/UAPs are, they’ve been around for almost a century now, and for all that time almost entirely benign. No invasion, no conquering, no stripping the Earth of resources, no enslavin…

There was a large thread on HN with almost 1000 comments a month ago on this topic and a ton of comments are hugely dismissive: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34665738

I don’t see prejudice against potential aliens there, just healthy skepticism that the reports actually represent some extra-terrestrial activity instead of some natural or manmade phenomena.

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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This is good. The idea that an astrophysicist would ever think seriously one could find ET by just scanning the sky and finding ET signals is baffling. If anyone learned how to do a Fermi problem, they could quickly do a back of the envelope estimation and realize there's zero chance to detect such a signal. The space is simply too large, stupendously large, and signals decay with the square of the distance (at least…

I'm trying to find a way to say this that isn't too negative, but do you really think you're that much smarter than everyone that's been involved in SETI over the decades? That everyone that's worked on it was incapable of doing the "simple envelope estimation" that you've done? You have such a level of hubris that you can just write off the whole idea, assuming that everyone involved with it have no idea what they're doing?

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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I just cant get a laptop i feel comfortable working on, they all have that slow feel, where a desktop is just crisp and i can always just switch out anything i dont like about the current build..

My MacBook Pro with M1 Pro is the first laptop I've had that hasn't had that slight hesitation that laptops have always had. I think this is why people praise Apple Silicon so much even though the benchmark numbers may not always back it up - so many other people are also coming from similarly-hobbled laptops.

> that slight hesitation that laptops have always had

For me just getting a decent low-latency mouse (e.g., wired g203) and correctly configuring 100hz+ monitors has vastly improved my experience on my M1 Air and the shitty Thinkpad I use for work -- to the point where I haven't used my desktop in a long time.

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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I have a great desktop, and every day I curse Apple and Tim Cook because I cannot get an iPad Pro that runs full macOS. That would be the ideal device for me when I'm on the go, that I can still use to watch Youtube videos in the bathroom. I do not need a full laptop when I work at home with a $5,000 desktop PC, nor I want to buy a crappy $300 laptop that always feels slow and underpowered. It is really sad to have t…

> nor I want to buy a crappy $300 laptop that always feels slow and underpowered. Meanwhile, the expensive laptops with actual desktop-class components have unacceptably shitty peripherals, so you can't even pay more money for what you want; it simply doesn't exist. This is what upsets me the most about laptops.

> what you want; it simply doesn't exist.

Once the patents on Apple's trackpad expire, then we'll see.

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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This is good. The idea that an astrophysicist would ever think seriously one could find ET by just scanning the sky and finding ET signals is baffling. If anyone learned how to do a Fermi problem, they could quickly do a back of the envelope estimation and realize there's zero chance to detect such a signal. The space is simply too large, stupendously large, and signals decay with the square of the distance (at least…

I'm trying to find a way to say this that isn't too negative, but do you really think you're that much smarter than everyone that's been involved in SETI over the decades? That everyone that's worked on it was incapable of doing the "simple envelope estimation" that you've done? You have such a level of hubris that you can just write off the whole idea, assuming that everyone involved with it have no idea what they'r…

I explicitly said I don't think any astrophysicist believed that. Every single one is able to do that back of the envelope calculation, and I suspect that those involved in the SETI project actually did it. They just didn't care. As long as the population was ok with a search for ETs, the money kept coming.

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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With this project and the collapse of the Arecibo antenna it looks like the search for extraterrestrial life is on hold for the forseeable future. I loved the concept of the software though. It made people invested in the project even though they never took part in the academics. It was great PR even if it never produced any results that I know of.

The search isn't on hold, we just do it differently nowadays. SETI@home was great for its time, but distributing data to lots of end user machines just isn't the right architecture any more. Modern radio telescopes produce so much data, you have to process it onsite - these are pretty remote facilities, and the bandwidth out is much less than the bandwidth the radio telescope can produce. Arecibo is also a couple gen…

There is Allen Telescope Array, https://www.seti.org/ata, funded by Paul Allen. It is radio telescope array dedicated to SETI and can do all-sky surveys.
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