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Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Post by kevviiinn »

tempsy wrote: post #108
kevviiinn wrote: post #92

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That's because nobody listens, doctors have more or less given up. People want meds, they always want a quick fix not to exercise and eat better

that isn’t true. i’ve never received nutritional advice from a doctor, and if i did i doubt it would be much more than “eat fruits and veggies and exercise” the “official” food pyramid put out by the government still tells people to eat mostly refined grains and carbs.

Your statement is not at odds with my claim, not to mention eating more fruits and veggies is an improvement for 85%+ of Americans so yea that's actually solid advice. I don't know why you think it isn't

Most Americans are also sedentary and don't exercise at all so again, even just walking more is an improvement for most people.

All that being said, I also have not had a doctor who didn't first ask me what my diet and exercise are like before making suggestions

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Post by haswell »

bagels wrote: post #96
haswell wrote: post #49

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Convincing people that sleep is a problem worth caring about is half the battle. There are many resources available that get into the practical/tactical aspect of improving sleep. But if you don't believe sleep is a problem yet, you won't seek those out. The Huberman Lab has put out a number of good resources for this [0] including a podcast episode speaking with Matt Walker, PhD, sleep researcher and author of Why w…

What benefit do you derive from changing which hours you are awake?

Huberman and Walker cover some of this in the linked materials, but “The Mind After Midnight: Nocturnal Wakefulness, Behavioral Dysregulation, and Psychopathology” [0] is a pretty interesting review of the literature on this.

In short, we’re becoming increasingly aware of the impact of light throughout the day on the body’s circadian rhythm. Bottom line: natural selection didn’t design to be up throughout the night.

As for the benefits I’ve personally noticed:

- I’m significantly clearer in the head throughout the day and feel more able to make better choices during the day (about food, time spent, etc)

- My mental/emotional state has improved, and I have more capacity to deal with challenging emotions

- Increasingly (this has been shifting steadily) I start each day ready to tackle the hard stuff and I don’t have to use as much willpower

- This is the other side of the “mental/emotional” item but I generally feel happier, or have more capacity to experience happy feelings

- There is also a body of research about getting morning sunlight in your eyes, and I’ve found that on days that I do, I sleep much better. Sleep tracking confirms this. Having a science-backed reason to witness/enjoy the sunrise is nice on mornings when my body just wants to stay in bed.

More generally, such a question is starting to look like similar to questions about a healthy/balanced diet: some of the benefits can be experienced now, but prevention of long term issues is just as important. The links between lack of healthy sleep and degenerative brain issues later in life (dementia, Alzheimer’s, etc) seem to be getting stronger based on recent research.

- [0] https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnetp.2021.8303...

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Post by 11235813213455 »

Llamamoe wrote: post #107
11235813213455 wrote: post #75

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isn't sleep apnea usually related to another problem, like diet (most of the time), or smoking/drinking, another is the position of your jaw (the teeth shouldn't touch)

...the teeth absolutely should touch, and besides, that's guided by tooth contact points and not habit/lifestyle factor. Sheesh.

facts https://vadentist.com/a-hard-nights-sleep/#:~:text=You%20may....

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Post by kayodelycaon »

Xeoncross wrote: post #20

I've seen enough mental issues in people (depression, schizophrenia, etc...) that seem to have a high correlation to poor sleep and/or lack of sleep to make sure I stay on top of getting enough sleep. Depriving your body of food, water, oxygen or sleep is no joke.

I’m bipolar and my sleep problems are because of my mental issues. For example, when I’m depressed, I can’t sleep. The part of my brain that makes sleep happen doesn’t work.

Lack of good sleep hygiene is unlikely to give you a highly genetic mental disorder.

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Post by m463 »

clsec wrote: post #58
elric wrote: post #26

I'll keep saying it: sleep apnea is vastly underdiagnosed and undertreated. I had so many weird symptoms for so long, which all gradually started to disappear as I started to get my sleep apnea treated. Unless you're fat, doctors will rarely even consider the possibility. And once you do get a polysomnogram, the usualy course of action is to throw a CPAP machine at you and send you on your way, without much followup.…

I'm not so sure, my experience tells me differently.. I am a thin guy with very low body fat. As soon as I told my doctor that I had woken up 2-3 times with my soft pallet dry & semi-collapsed, also that I would wake up regularly with a dry mouth, he immediately sent me for a sleep test. I went and did the test and the results were that I had mild sleep apnea. The sleep doctor told me that they were ordering a CPAP m…

I followed your route. Got the machine, hated it, didn't accept it.

I ended up getting a "boil-and-bite" mouthguard thing that kept my lower jaw from slipping backwards when I sleep.

That helped for about 6 months, but eventually I would wake up throwing up in my mouth. What happens is that you fall asleep, your throat collapses, you go to take a breath and since you can't bring in air through your mouth, instead you try to bring the stomach acid from your stomach up into your lungs.

eventually went through the hassle of getting a machine, found the nasal pillows mask was *much* better than the default mask, and have been good.

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Post by clsec »

gumby wrote: post #97
clsec wrote: post #58

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I'm not so sure, my experience tells me differently.. I am a thin guy with very low body fat. As soon as I told my doctor that I had woken up 2-3 times with my soft pallet dry & semi-collapsed, also that I would wake up regularly with a dry mouth, he immediately sent me for a sleep test. I went and did the test and the results were that I had mild sleep apnea. The sleep doctor told me that they were ordering a CPAP m…

> The other thing I learned is that Big Pharma/FDA does a horrible job of listing medication side effects. I say that because "causes sleep apnea" was not on the list of side effects for carbamazeine Having designed and run clinical trials, I think your assertion based on a single experience is unreasonable. Companies are very interested in unexpected events, particularly bad ones (called “adverse events” in the jarg…

While I respect your expertise in the field, I disagree.

>Companies are very interested in unexpected events, particularly bad ones (called “adverse events” in the jargon). Viagra was “discovered” because of an unanticipated side effect of a drug being tested for a heart disorder.

Tell that to Moderna and Pfizer. They, nor the FDA, have shown any interest in adverse events reported by both patients and doctors to VAERS [1], unless whatever hypothetical minimum number of people report it. I've had, as well as Dr. Greg Poland [2], a pretty severe adverse reaction to the mRNA vaccines but our problems remain unaddressed because not enough people have reported it, science knows little about our reaction, or it doesn't monetarily benefit anyone (liability or profit). As for the Viagra discovery, it was a monetary benefit.

Scientists and researchers in the medical field need to realize everyone is different and we have different reactions to various drugs. I guarantee you that carbamazepine was causing my apnea problems. It also caused two other adverse reactions that are not listed as side effects.

Now that I think about it, your entire comment screams pharmaceutical marketing to me.

[1] https://vaers.hhs.gov/ [2] https://www.mayo.edu/research/faculty/poland-gregory-a-m-d/b...

edit: mRNA

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Post by tempsy »

kevviiinn wrote: post #111
tempsy wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that isn’t true. i’ve never received nutritional advice from a doctor, and if i did i doubt it would be much more than “eat fruits and veggies and exercise” the “official” food pyramid put out by the government still tells people to eat mostly refined grains and carbs.

Your statement is not at odds with my claim, not to mention eating more fruits and veggies is an improvement for 85%+ of Americans so yea that's actually solid advice. I don't know why you think it isn't Most Americans are also sedentary and don't exercise at all so again, even just walking more is an improvement for most people. All that being said, I also have not had a doctor who didn't first ask me what my diet a…

a doctor giving generic “eat fruits and vegetables” doesn’t mean anything. it’s just generic words an 8 year old could tell you

you don’t take nutrition in medical school. doctors wouldn’t be able to prescribe a more personalized nutritional plan even if they wanted to

whether or not they say this or don’t won’t change anyone’s life

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Post by rco8786 »

kevviiinn wrote: post #111
tempsy wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that isn’t true. i’ve never received nutritional advice from a doctor, and if i did i doubt it would be much more than “eat fruits and veggies and exercise” the “official” food pyramid put out by the government still tells people to eat mostly refined grains and carbs.

Your statement is not at odds with my claim, not to mention eating more fruits and veggies is an improvement for 85%+ of Americans so yea that's actually solid advice. I don't know why you think it isn't Most Americans are also sedentary and don't exercise at all so again, even just walking more is an improvement for most people. All that being said, I also have not had a doctor who didn't first ask me what my diet a…

Eating fruits and vegetables is not typically good medical advice when we’re talking about acute issues.

Advice for a healthier lifestyle, more energy, longevity, etc? Yes of course. Advice for sleep apnea that’s already set in and affecting a patient nightly? Not at all.

Re: Sleep habits may have long-term benefits

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Post by rco8786 »

kevviiinn wrote: post #92
rco8786 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doctors aren’t typically incentivized to treat things with lifestyle changes. For better or worse, that’s something you need to self advocate for.

That's because nobody listens, doctors have more or less given up. People want meds, they always want a quick fix not to exercise and eat better

Maybe in part. But it’s also because medical practices are for profit enterprises and don’t make any money by telling patients to stop drinking alcohol, but make a bunch of money charging out CPAP machines to insurance companies.

Doctors “have given up” implies there was a time when doctors would dish this stuff out as a treatment plan. At least in the US, I don’t know if that’s ever been true.

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