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The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge

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Re: The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge

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Post by delecti »

pseudalopex wrote: post #158
delecti wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A normal local spellcheck requires you to be much closer to the word than an "enhanced" one. As an example, if I search Google for "nucrusift" ("microsoft", but typed with my right hand one space to the left, a fairly common category of typo IME), it suggests a search for "Microsoft". The built-in spellcheck in Chrome (which I'm using to type this comment) does not offer any suggestions to correct "nucrusift".

iOS's local spell check suggested Microsoft.

I just tried for myself, and that was the keyboard's auto-complete, not the OS's spell-check, a subtle but IMO important difference. I think it's reasonable to expect the keyboard to catch that kind of typo, given it inherently has to do that kind of fuzzy logic to determine words anyway.

When I entered that same string into iOS Safari in a text box replying to your comment, deliberately bypassing the keyboard's auto-complete, it had no suggestions.

Re: The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge

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Post by [deleted] »

discreditable wrote: post #184
elboru wrote: post #54

Microsoft feels like two totally different companies. One company can produce amazing concepts and products. But then, the other company comes and adds nasty “features” on top to ruin everything.

Imo, so many of Microsoft's dark patterns are a direct result of them owning bing. Bing has bad market share, so MS takes every chance they get to show it to users. Start menu web search, Edge defaults, dark patterns abound just to get eyeballs on bing.

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Re: The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge

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Post by rolph »

sandworm101 wrote: post #151
tored wrote: post #39

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I recently switched from Edge to Firefox. Edge used to be great, but all "features" it has added the past year is not features I need, like sending my text input to Microsoft, showing online shopping suggestions, discover features, sidebar apps and what not. Edge also has a annoying bug in combination with AMD graphics card where the bottom of the screen flickers when watching certain video content in Edge, like Netf…

Edge's only real feature is that it works... sometimes. I use it only when i run across some work-related thing where edge is literally the only option, like stupid configs whereby msoffice runs inside the browser. Instead of just downloading a pdf i have to trick edge into "printing" a docx to a pdf format that i can then actually read like a sane person. When edge dies i will be first to dance on its grave.

wear a pair of throwaway shoes when you do; im sure that grave will be decorated with fluids and semi-solids of biological origin.

Re: The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge

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Post by marcosdumay »

xattt wrote: post #65
b112 wrote: post #51

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Remember when places hired UX designer to, you know, design a great user experience? This is not that Some tortured soul, chained by NDA, not allowed to tell its tale of angst and woe, is hastily linking your comment, to email manager "See!!!! It's rubbish to do this, they hate it, see!!"

I’m thinking that individual has descended into madness by this point and is looking like the Monty Python “It’s” man.

There's only a certain amount of soul you can extract from people before they become empathy-less ones unable to create things for other people and dangerous to have around. So, corporations cycle the people they use before they reach that level.

Re: The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge

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Post by password4321 »

skrebbel wrote: post #37
pluc wrote: post #31

The only reason to use Edge is because your corporate policy forces you to. There is no other reason whatsoever. If you must, use Chrome if you'd rather send all that data to an advertising company in exchange for a familiar UI. Otherwise, use Firefox.

Edge has lots of great features and UX elements that set it apart. Eg proper vertical tab bar, profiles with great UX, “turn site into desktop app”, well-designed website translation, etc. Chrome has some of these and Firefox lets you piece it all together with lots of add-ons but it’s not the same. Firefox is my daily driver, but for a long time, before all these user-hostile misfeatures were added, Edge was Pretty…

Edge dev tools has "edit and resend" built in.

Re: The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge

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Post by password4321 »

nubinetwork wrote: post #131

That's not even all of them... Edge routinely takes over file association of pdf files, even if you have Adobe Acrobat installed. At work, we had to apply a whole slew of GPO and logon scripts to force Windows into using Acrobat.

However bad Edge is, Adobe Acrobat Reader is worse.

I understand it is a necessary evil for some of the forms stuff, digital signatures, and the full edition for editing.

Re: The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge

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Post by pseudalopex »

delecti wrote: post #201
pseudalopex wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iOS's local spell check suggested Microsoft.

I just tried for myself, and that was the keyboard's auto-complete, not the OS's spell-check, a subtle but IMO important difference. I think it's reasonable to expect the keyboard to catch that kind of typo, given it inherently has to do that kind of fuzzy logic to determine words anyway. When I entered that same string into iOS Safari in a text box replying to your comment, deliberately bypassing the keyboard's auto…

Marking unrecognized words, suggesting spellings, and auto correct are 3 different features if you want to split hairs. The distinction is not relevant to the claim a layout aware suggestion could not be produced locally.

Re: The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge

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Post by dagaci »

skrebbel wrote: post #3

I’m a longtime Windows fan, and initially I was quite enamored by Edge as well. Base UX is excellent, lots of settings and they’re easy to find. Vertical tab bar, profiles, and it all Just Works. I flat out love its “turn this website into a desktop app” feature. But by now they've shoved their core consumer products so chock full of crap that even I am starting to look for a way out. I got my son a new laptop recent…

I really wonder how and by which process Microsoft thinks its Ok to force everyone to look at its garbage bottom feeding msn news feed, do Microsoft exec's atually use Windows and put up with this?

Re: The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge

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Post by guhidalg »

shp0ngle wrote: post #111
jorvi wrote: post #95

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That’s because it is. There’s Consumer Microsoft and Enterprise Microsoft. Enterprise Microsoft products are mostly really great. Anything that’s tied to the consumer side can’t make its returns on fat B2B contracts, so they are forced to extract value otherwise.

> Enterprise Microsoft products are mostly really great. I see you haven’t actually used Azure Devops. (Their “enterprise github”, sort of.)

I have, it is actually really good. I remember being crap >5 years ago but lately I find it much nicer than GitHub. What makes you dislike ADO?
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