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Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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What most people don't know is that there are two SETI organizations. The SETI institute and the SETI League, http://www.setileague.org/

SETI @ home is run by the SETI Institute. As a participant in SETI @ home, your only contribution is your computing power.

The SETI League has a much more interesting program called "project Argus": http://www.setileague.org/argus/

Its a distributed version of SETI at home whereas you own and control your own receiver. Its run by folks in the amateur radio community. It was launched in the late 90's before the advancements of SDRs and has alot of potential today. Its truly an open source initiative which is what SETI should be.

You might say "a backyard radio telescope cannot compare to Arecibo or the Allen Array". In terms of antenna gain you are right, but right now, the Allen Array can only look in a few directions simultaneously and Arecibo is a pile of rubble. Many smaller telescopes is better than nothing.

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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I don't specifically miss SETI@home as much as I miss the spirit of the internet back then, the "what will they think of next!?" The idea that all of us could together could crack RSA keys wasn't just a thought exercise, people signed up and did it. Now computers are so complex and task heavy and fraught with problems it seems like more hassle than it's worth. I liked when wondering "why is my machine so slow", that…

Lookup project Argus by the SETI League:

http://www.setileague.org/argus/

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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What most people don't know is that there are two SETI organizations. The SETI institute and the SETI League, http://www.setileague.org/ SETI @ home is run by the SETI Institute. As a participant in SETI @ home, your only contribution is your computing power. The SETI League has a much more interesting program called "project Argus": http://www.setileague.org/argus/ Its a distributed version of SETI at home whereas y…

> You might say "a backyard radio telescope cannot compare to Arecibo or the Allen Array".

Any radio telescope that exists can compare favorably to Arecibo, actually.

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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You forgot the biggest distributed computing project: finding SHA256 hashes with lots of zeroes at the beginning.

You could make a religion out of this... oh wait

How about a verifiable religion, where the "bible" hashes to 0 exactly? The only problem is, I'm not omniscient enough to write it.

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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We also used to write code in low-level languages, and system designs were simpler compared to our current approach of writing a lot of stuff in JS and using Electron everywhere, having a huge dependency tree and in general - optimizing for fast development rather than efficient runtime. Having said that, optimizing for perf is rarely worth it because people don't usually care, and when it is - you can often make the…

Someone should do an accurate figure of compute power usage, including things such as cars, or media centres, and then try to analyse how the existing trend of "wasteful development" affects this. I bet all the upset over bitcoin power usage, is a tiny thing, compared to (for example) the whole node ecosystem. Even something such as gmail is massively overengineered. Heck, there are very few improvements over the int…

I mostly agree with you, however:

> A modern phone could last weeks as a browsing device, if looking at static html

That's what I do. Weeks is a bit of a stretch. Maybe one of screen time is limited. That said, discord (the website) drains my laptop battery almost as fast as gaming does. They do spawn a separate WebGL context for each animated emoticon. Crazy, crazy thing

> Put another way, people concerned about power usage, should realise that using node, means burning more coal/NG. Literally.

Sure. At the same time, though, a single car trip to the movies burns orders of magnitude more energy than all your gadgets running JS for an year.

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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Almost everything is connected to the grid. And even if it isn't... Even if it is an isolated hydro plant only connected to a data centre, other useful digital services could have run there instead. There's really no getting away from the fact that cryptocurrencies waste huge amounts of energy, significantly contributing to climate change just to move money from idiots to arseholes. Not just energy too - think how ma…

I am very happy that ETH switched to PoS. Now it just runs in the other data centers that are already in the same location and uses a fraction of the power. The GPUs were already made and older models. The PS5 chips were seconds that never made it into PS5's. They would have gone to waste regardless. If is really interesting to me how people have some sort of moral obligation to tell others how to spend energy. I fin…

> The GPUs were already made and older models.

Just because they had already been made doesn't mean that you using them has no impact on the world. If you hadn't used them then other people would have, there would be less demand for GPUs, and fewer GPUs would be made in future.

You're clearly smart enough to understand that; you just don't want to because it makes you feel guilty. Honestly I think you should just own it. I assume you made a suitably large amount of money? I can't say I wouldn't have done the same but I hope I would have the honesty to admit I basically burnt down a forest to take money from idiots.

> If is really interesting to me how people have some sort of moral obligation to tell others how to spend energy.

It's almost as if we all live on the same planet and the way we spend energy affects other people!

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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We also used to write code in low-level languages, and system designs were simpler compared to our current approach of writing a lot of stuff in JS and using Electron everywhere, having a huge dependency tree and in general - optimizing for fast development rather than efficient runtime. Having said that, optimizing for perf is rarely worth it because people don't usually care, and when it is - you can often make the…

shit like slack and other electron abominations are not just 10-20% improvement going native. We are talking a simple chat application, irc glorified to load images and preview, and this somehow takes more memory and cpu than the total resources I had in 1995 times 100. these systems are so abominable, and people have just gotten used to it, hell, many users never even tried anything else, but saying 10-20% is just r…

Man I want a native TUI client for Teams.

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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The psyops around UFOs must rank as one the most effective ever launched for prejudicing people against the subject.

> The psyops around UFOs must rank as one the most effective ever launched for prejudicing people against the subject. I struggle to believe that UFOs are objectively real because I have a basic grasp of the size of the universe, how much of it is just empty, how hard it is to travel between the bits that aren't, how inhospitable almost all of it is to organic life, and because everywhere we look it seems primordial…

EDIT: The following comment was enhanced (gloriously so, actually) by ChatGPT4:

As someone with a background in both physics and psychology, I appreciate your skepticism. However, it's crucial to recognize that human knowledge and imagination are often the limiting factors in our understanding of the universe.

The Alcubierre Warp Drive, for example, is a theoretically plausible solution to surmounting intergalactic distances in normal lifetimes, although it remains practically impossible for now: https://phys.org/news/2017-01-alcubierre-warp.html. A recent paper proposes an update using solitons: https://arxiv.org/abs/2006.07125. Additionally, research on wormholes, such as Kip Thorne's work on traversable wormholes, highlights another potential avenue for interstellar travel, despite the current theoretical and practical limitations.

Throughout history, many seemingly insurmountable barriers have been overcome through the power of imagination and human innovation. For example:

1. Lord Kelvin, a prominent physicist, claimed that heavier-than-air flying machines were impossible, but the Wright brothers proved otherwise with the first successful airplane flight in 1903.

2. Ernest Rutherford, the father of nuclear physics, once declared that extracting energy from atoms was "moonshine" – yet nuclear power plants are now a reality.

3. The concept of continental drift, proposed by Alfred Wegener, was initially ridiculed, but it eventually led to the widely accepted theory of plate tectonics.

These examples demonstrate how scientific progress often hinges on the ability to challenge prevailing beliefs and imagine new possibilities. Our current understanding of the universe is based on mental models that have evolved over time and will continue to change. Newtonian physics, once considered the gold standard, was later expanded upon by the revolutionary theories of relativity and quantum mechanics, paving the way for previously "impossible" phenomena.

At the American Physical Society's Division of Atomic, Molecular and Optical Physics (DAMOP) meeting, for instance, researchers discuss groundbreaking experiments and theories that would have been considered absurd just decades ago. Quantum entanglement, superposition, and teleportation, which were once mere theoretical constructs, are now supported by empirical evidence and even employed in emerging technologies like quantum computing.

In conclusion, while skepticism is a healthy part of the scientific process, it's essential not to dismiss the potential for extraterrestrial intelligence or advanced interstellar travel based solely on our current understanding of the universe. Our collective imagination and the relentless pursuit of knowledge have historically expanded the boundaries of what was once considered impossible, and there's no reason to believe this trend will cease.

Re: SETI@home is in hibernation

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I run fold@home I'm at 207M points... Sucks I'm in 14K range... I'll probably never hit #1 haha

I'm at 466M points and within top 10k donors.....that's just thanks to running folding@home on my own machines for the last 15 years lol. https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor/id/9171

wow that's nuts... I don't know how many months I'd take me to catch up/by that point ahead again

15 years is insane though... I only recently started with an i9 and 3080Ti on medium/highest priority

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