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YouTube millionaires are not your friends

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Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

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Calling an NFT a security might be the most charitable definition ever.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck… The fact that the thing being abstracted into a security is BS doesn’t affect the rules you have to follow when you’re acting like a thing is an investment. Pumping and dumping nonsense Is securities fraud in plenty of cases, the legal frameworks were created to prevent that kind of behavior.

Pumping and dumping collectibles has a long history, from beanie babies to fake bodily remains of saints...

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

#82

Just an aside, but I've noticed a lot of popular video trends among the younger generation revolve around watching somebody you don't really know, doing things I would I've done with friends. Reaction videos, eating things, hanging out and making jokes, making a stupid contest, trying some new experience... It's like there is an entire part of the children/teen population that have such a bland life they feel good wh…

Keep in mind, childhoods are a lot different now because you are exposed to a lot of information and people you never would have had a chance to meet when you were a child. As a kid in the 90's, my parents gave my brothers and I a choice: cable TV, or DSL once DSL came to our area of the city.

We chose DSL, and definitely the Internet experience I had growing up was way different than every other kid at school since it was actually feasible to download a few small movies or games at the time, and to talk on chat apps/message boards at a very early age. All the online activities became part of my childhood along with my friends who lived locally and my other activities, and turned out, I enjoyed those a lot more than the in person activities which I mostly just _could_ do, as opposed to wanting to do them. So I had a pretty good balance I felt between physical activities, meeting with friends locally for bike rides or playing games, and the online social life also.

Edited addition: One of the most positive parts about this was that it was so new that my parents had very little to say because they did not understand it; if I wanted to join a message board or crack a game, my parents and teachers and other authority figures in my life absolutely could not say anything about it in a reasonable way; it was brand new, there were no guides or playbooks, I had to learn this all on my own. While I was a very independent child, it was mostly stuff in a familiar scope for my parents. They "knew" that if I went on a bike ride with friends, probably we were up to some mischief, because that's what happened when they were kids. Same with if I went to a friends house to play games, to the park, etc. The Internet was (and still is) completely out of their scope along with all the tech and knowledge required to use it at the time, so it was a major point of growth for me to learn this new world and how to survive in it. That felt really nice as a child, as I'd slowly start to learn the skills that helped me succeed as an adult.

I think that the current childhood experience probably would be what most of us would have had as online is now a normal aspect of kids lives, whether it's games or various chats/message boards, etc.

When you write:

>It's like there is an entire part of the children/teen population that have such a blend [sic] life they feel good while watching somebody else living it.

(I assume you mean "bland")

I'm not sure it's about a bland life. There is a lot of social interaction, just in a different form. Some people have trouble with understanding that online light interactions don't have the same weight as in real life impersonal interactions, but that's pretty normal I think. Most adults from the previous generation still have troubles with communication in my opinion (at least a fair amount of persons from businesses I work with have weaker communication skills that most children I know), so I'm not sure it's that these children are missing anything or have a "bland" life, it's just different. A lot of my younger friends are often in shock at my childhood pastimes before I had a nice computer and access to the Internet, cause man my friends and I used to get into a ton of trouble and do really dangerous/mean stuff to each other sometimes. We meant it in good fun, but in retrospect, I think that I'd rather my children were doing social stuff and learning/reading like I did when I got Internet as opposed to the stuff I used to do as a kid, which frankly speaking, was petty vandalism at times even just because we were so bored and wanted something "fun".

So it's not really that one is worse than the other or that modern life is bland, it's just different. There are lots of videos you can watch about early 2000's and 2010's internet culture, and it's really interesting for me because it wasn't the Internet I experienced as a kid; stuff like virtual worlds or alternate reality games that pop up on message boards seem like they were a lot of fun, and looks to have sparked a ton of creativity in the kids participating. I don't think this is a bad or bland life at all; just different.

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

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I relate to your sentiment, and then I think about how hard it was to explain to my parents why I enjoy watching others play video games.

In person, I get it. You chill with someone you like, you don't need to do much to enjoy it. Like reading together, or just being there. However, I don't get watching pewdiepie playing something. I just can't groke it. You don't know the person, the person is not in the room, the person is not even currently playing since it's a recording. It's a flat image of someone else having fun. And not somebody particularly go…

Why watch sports or tv shows or anything at all? It's other people having fun.

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

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I agree with the article that those are narcissistic psychopaths but then there is this quote from the tweet: > - 8 hours sleep > - No porn > - Hit the gym > - Make lots of money > - Have a big family > This is the magic of life. The author points to that like those are supposed to be bad/vain things. Hard disagree. Whoever wants to nudge me not to pursue the above (here: author of the article) is my enemy. So I desp…

I don't think it's mentioned as "this is bad", it's "this is what they pretend to be about to lure in young men who lack direction in life so they can exploit them".

I see.

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

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post #50

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If a startup idea is good, it doesn’t really matter if someone mentioned it in a video that got hundreds of thousands of views. Execution is still the key component. ‘You’ve already lost’ implies that every idea must be completely unique in order for you to ‘win’ whatever that means.

You are stripping all of the context of the statement and then responding to the universal form of it that you created yourself, I dunno that Vox can be blamed too much in this case given how much you're working in order to be mad about it.

eh, I think you're reaching. Saying I'm working on being mad about it is as unsubstantiated as me saying that you’re a Vox fanboy who can't handle having your worldviews challenged. Bit pointless isn't it?

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

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post #49

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If you want to get rid of that part of your brain, check my profile and fill out the form on my homepage ... Apart from the lack of personal fulfillment, isn't it good for society, and thus not such a bad job, that fools are parted from their money? After all, consumers decide what our society does. If a consumer is not able to recognize a scam, how can society trust them to make meaningful decisions? A hustle guru w…

I do wish this is a sarcastic comment, can't tell anymore these days.

Since there is no homepage linked on his profile, I would think it was sarcasm ..

Still, to adress that point:

"isn't it good for society, and thus not such a bad job, that fools are parted from their money"

It is overall bad, as it creates an atmosphere of distrust and distrusting everything costs a lot of energy.

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

#87

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I relate to your sentiment, and then I think about how hard it was to explain to my parents why I enjoy watching others play video games.

In person, I get it. You chill with someone you like, you don't need to do much to enjoy it. Like reading together, or just being there. However, I don't get watching pewdiepie playing something. I just can't groke it. You don't know the person, the person is not in the room, the person is not even currently playing since it's a recording. It's a flat image of someone else having fun. And not somebody particularly go…

After you've watched a person enough on YouTube or Twitch you start feeling that you know them (even though it's completely unidirectional). I think there is a term for this but it's for sure an established phenomena. At that point it feels like watching friends do stuff I guess

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

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post #82

Just an aside, but I've noticed a lot of popular video trends among the younger generation revolve around watching somebody you don't really know, doing things I would I've done with friends. Reaction videos, eating things, hanging out and making jokes, making a stupid contest, trying some new experience... It's like there is an entire part of the children/teen population that have such a bland life they feel good wh…

Keep in mind, childhoods are a lot different now because you are exposed to a lot of information and people you never would have had a chance to meet when you were a child. As a kid in the 90's, my parents gave my brothers and I a choice: cable TV, or DSL once DSL came to our area of the city. We chose DSL, and definitely the Internet experience I had growing up was way different than every other kid at school since…

> (I assume you mean "bland")

Yeah, Frenchman here :) Let met edit that.

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

#89
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In person, I get it. You chill with someone you like, you don't need to do much to enjoy it. Like reading together, or just being there. However, I don't get watching pewdiepie playing something. I just can't groke it. You don't know the person, the person is not in the room, the person is not even currently playing since it's a recording. It's a flat image of someone else having fun. And not somebody particularly go…

After you've watched a person enough on YouTube or Twitch you start feeling that you know them (even though it's completely unidirectional). I think there is a term for this but it's for sure an established phenomena. At that point it feels like watching friends do stuff I guess

The term is "parasocial"

Re: YouTube millionaires are not your friends

#90
post #49

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I admit I envy their ability to not care how they are making their money. I was once pitched a gig that, after you boiled away the flowery tech contraptions, amounted simply to “run your own scummy leadgen business.” I felt like I had to take a shower after hearing that pitch. Wouldn’t it be nice if I didn’t have that part of my brain that recoils in disgust at treating other human beings as “leads” to be bought and…

If you want to get rid of that part of your brain, check my profile and fill out the form on my homepage ... Apart from the lack of personal fulfillment, isn't it good for society, and thus not such a bad job, that fools are parted from their money? After all, consumers decide what our society does. If a consumer is not able to recognize a scam, how can society trust them to make meaningful decisions? A hustle guru w…

Unfortunately the hustle gurus usually spend it on making the world even worse: more scams, content promoting scammy lifestyle, paying scam buddies, paying off politician to pass scam friendly laws etc.

I don't really care (that much anyway, I do care a bit) that some useful idiot went broke buying into yet another crypto scam. I do care about the guys running the operation getting more resources though as they will use them to make the world I live in worse.

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