> future seems pretty bleak especially with GPT4.
huh?
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Exactly the reason why I said all pro-WFH people should actually be anti-WFH. I’ve traveled around the world. There are many smart and hungry people willing to work at night for your American salary. The number one thing protecting your job is the office.
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I think we are too late for any sort of intervention here. It's not like the 0.1% hasn't been trying to access the US job market for the past decade(s) for remote work. It was bound to happen, we just entered a phase of acceleration. Most people with cushy well paying jobs, who are very pro WFH, just never did the back of the envelope calculation when promoting WFH. And well WFH (or just lets call it "remote work") as a default, is definitely here to stay. People arbitraging their income abroad (US worker, remotely working and spending in Asia, South America, etc.), is also here to stay and becoming increasingly more common while salaries are falling (60k in Asia is like 100-200k in the US). And companies capitalizing on their benefits is also here to stay (low cost employees who can be fired at whim, for a fraction of the cost of local workers with the same skills).
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#13It's definitely not ChatGPT or AI (or at least not just that), it's remote work as well. I'm seeing a lot of companies hiring worldwide remote talent at a huge discount. This time its different from the outsourcing we have seen in the past. Because you now have experienced remote US and EU developers living somewhere where their cost of living allows them to be very competitive on rates and salary. An US developer li…
ll_mama, do you mind sharing where and how you are connecting with companies and arranging your contracting gigs? Which languages, specialties and/or industries are you seeing demand? Thanks very much.
I run some blogs with SEO on particular niches which I frequently update and rank fairly high for particular framework issues. I don't want to get into details, but companies google these issues, find my posts, fail at solving them with the steps which are very clearly laid out by me, and then reach out to me to see if I am available to fix their particular issue. That is about 30% of the clients that I get. The other 70% are past employers or clients and references through past clients and former colleagues.
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#14It's definitely not ChatGPT or AI (or at least not just that), it's remote work as well. I'm seeing a lot of companies hiring worldwide remote talent at a huge discount. This time its different from the outsourcing we have seen in the past. Because you now have experienced remote US and EU developers living somewhere where their cost of living allows them to be very competitive on rates and salary. An US developer li…
Exactly the reason why I said all pro-WFH people should actually be anti-WFH. I’ve traveled around the world. There are many smart and hungry people willing to work at night for your American salary. The number one thing protecting your job is the office.
Outsourcing has always been possible even without WFH possibilities, but many companies reverted from that for good reason. There are also advantages of WFH on whole other levels, like many environmentally. I don't get the point about workplace angst (x), and if there is any, that genie will be hard to put back into the bottle. Personally, don't see this happening though for things that were valid before much for before more WFH.
(x): On the other hand, that is also what is usually driving crazy things like the Mexican wall, to name it symbolically.. so I can at least comprehend partly.
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#15It's definitely not ChatGPT or AI (or at least not just that), it's remote work as well. I'm seeing a lot of companies hiring worldwide remote talent at a huge discount. This time its different from the outsourcing we have seen in the past. Because you now have experienced remote US and EU developers living somewhere where their cost of living allows them to be very competitive on rates and salary. An US developer li…
> living in Asia, can charge 50-100$ per hour, which comparatively to the US, would be 100$+-500$ per hour. And that is happening a lot now.
Numbers please.. you mean only now due to the WFH move upper management realised they don't need to watch butts in chairs and can hire anyone from all over the world and look at that economic advantage, though that had been always possible before, and was even often attempted with varying success, but now no concerns anymore? Doubts..
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly the reason why I said all pro-WFH people should actually be anti-WFH. I’ve traveled around the world. There are many smart and hungry people willing to work at night for your American salary. The number one thing protecting your job is the office.
Outsourcing has always been possible even without WFH possibilities, but many companies reverted from that for good reason. There are also advantages of WFH on whole other levels, like many environmentally. I don't get the point about workplace angst (x), and if there is any, that genie will be hard to put back into the bottle. Personally, don't see this happening though for things that were valid before much for bef…
Outsourcing tech work is a lot easier now that companies support fully remote workers.
Previously, any outsourcing work would create hybrid environment which is the worst choice between fully remote and fully in person.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly the reason why I said all pro-WFH people should actually be anti-WFH. I’ve traveled around the world. There are many smart and hungry people willing to work at night for your American salary. The number one thing protecting your job is the office.
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> Now it seems like people are mostly upvoting anti-WFH posts. Look how the tide has turned.
WFH people discovered they have a life. Instead of sitting here arguing about why an archaic work setup is bad for you they are out and about.
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> Now it seems like people are mostly upvoting anti-WFH posts. Look how the tide has turned. WFH people discovered they have a life. Instead of sitting here arguing about why an archaic work setup is bad for you they are out and about.
I think the grandparent's observation is spot on.
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#19It's definitely not ChatGPT or AI (or at least not just that), it's remote work as well. I'm seeing a lot of companies hiring worldwide remote talent at a huge discount. This time its different from the outsourcing we have seen in the past. Because you now have experienced remote US and EU developers living somewhere where their cost of living allows them to be very competitive on rates and salary. An US developer li…
Exactly the reason why I said all pro-WFH people should actually be anti-WFH. I’ve traveled around the world. There are many smart and hungry people willing to work at night for your American salary. The number one thing protecting your job is the office.
So, people should be anti-WFH to maintain this artificial moat that so far has kept other smart and hungry people from making a decent living and improving their standard of living, simply because they're at the wrong geographical location?
This seems like a blinkered and selfish perspective.
If the number one thing protecting your job is the office, then quite frankly that job probably shouldn't exist.
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#20It's definitely not ChatGPT or AI (or at least not just that), it's remote work as well. I'm seeing a lot of companies hiring worldwide remote talent at a huge discount. This time its different from the outsourcing we have seen in the past. Because you now have experienced remote US and EU developers living somewhere where their cost of living allows them to be very competitive on rates and salary. An US developer li…
I don't doubt this is part of it (I have a friend who lives in Thailand who is happy to get $40/hr tho he's a really good dev) but how many of these devs can there be?
I don't think the number can be so high where it is all of it.
I think it's just economic uncertainty. People won't hire unless they NEED to, and often the company CAN get by without that extra dev.