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Community’s 25yrs without a newborn shows scale of Japan’s population crisis

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Re: Community’s 25yrs without a newborn shows scale of Japan’s population crisis

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Post by barry-cotter »

akasakahakada wrote: post #27
admissionsguy wrote: post #10

How unhinged is it to call the lack of exponential population growth a crisis? There are enough (way too many in fact) people already. The social and economic mechanisms just have to adapt to the steady-state or even decreasing population levels. We should be grateful it is happening spontaneously, instead of having to think of instituting invasive policies to limit growth.

Agree. Earth as a whole do not lack human, just the matter of imbalanced distribution. More people simply means more pollution and waste. People should consider the idea of "continues growth" as an illness.

If you think people are a problem why not be the solution in your own life?

Re: Community’s 25yrs without a newborn shows scale of Japan’s population crisis

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Post by FpUser »

fwlr wrote: post #12

In times of crisis during war, countries may draft men into combat to fight against their will. If this fertility crisis keeps up, I wonder if we will see a similar kind of draft for women to breed. It seems unconscionable but literal existential risks can drive countries to do a lot of unconscionable things. (Immigration isn’t the answer, their fertility rate also gets depressed just like the native population. All…

For many having kids is unaffordable I guess you will have to create kids farms. So much to look forward to.

Re: Community’s 25yrs without a newborn shows scale of Japan’s population crisis

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Post by admissionsguy »

ta1312135 wrote: post #18
admissionsguy wrote: post #10

How unhinged is it to call the lack of exponential population growth a crisis? There are enough (way too many in fact) people already. The social and economic mechanisms just have to adapt to the steady-state or even decreasing population levels. We should be grateful it is happening spontaneously, instead of having to think of instituting invasive policies to limit growth.

How unhinged is it to call the lack of exponential population growth a crisis? That is not what is being called a crisis. Fertility rate being *far* below replacement (1.3 vs 2.1) is being called a crisis. If the population falls to quickly the ratio of young to old gets unbalanced and there are not enough people young enough to do the work needed to support the population too old to work. All the products and servic…

According to projections based on this fertility rate, Japan will have more than 60 million working-age people at any time through 2100 who will need to support an aged population no larger than 3/5 that size.

What percentage works in agriculture and related industries? A single-digit % last time I checked. It does not make sense that there could be a fundamental problem with the production of essentials (or non-essentials for that matter), especially with decades to adapt.

Re: Community’s 25yrs without a newborn shows scale of Japan’s population crisis

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Post by asplake »

danybittel wrote: post #29
ta1312135 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How unhinged is it to call the lack of exponential population growth a crisis? That is not what is being called a crisis. Fertility rate being *far* below replacement (1.3 vs 2.1) is being called a crisis. If the population falls to quickly the ratio of young to old gets unbalanced and there are not enough people young enough to do the work needed to support the population too old to work. All the products and servic…

So the crisis is that there are not enough products and services for an aging population. That's a different crisis than low birth rates, that should be solved differently.

By whom? Sustained how?

Re: Community’s 25yrs without a newborn shows scale of Japan’s population crisis

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Post by Turskarama »

anovikov wrote: post #2

Why not bring in many immigrant women and have them bear Japanese children through IVF as surrogates, with eggs and sperm selected randomly from a collection of healthy, successful Japanese donors? And then pay for their upbringing in government-sponsored facilities. Because there is usually more than 1 kid born through IVF, say 1.5, and about 65% of IVFs result in a life birth with usual miscarriage terms being very…

This is showing a clear misunderstanding of the cause of these low birth rates. If IVF and government run child raising facilities was a real option then they wouldn't need immigrants to do it. Japanese women are not having babies because they don't want to, not because they physically can't.

The crisis the rich world is having is that it is no longer possible to raise a family with only a single working adult, and raising a child while both parents are working full time is simply not something that everyone wants to do. It is in effect too time expensive to raise children.

Ironically the solution here is to accept a drop in productivity and create a society in which people can stay at home. There is already evidence coming in that the shift to working from home has increased the birth rate in places where it has occurred. Japan needs to fix it's work culture in order to fix it's birthrate issue, end of story.

Re: Community’s 25yrs without a newborn shows scale of Japan’s population crisis

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Post by et-al »

fwlr wrote: post #12

In times of crisis during war, countries may draft men into combat to fight against their will. If this fertility crisis keeps up, I wonder if we will see a similar kind of draft for women to breed. It seems unconscionable but literal existential risks can drive countries to do a lot of unconscionable things. (Immigration isn’t the answer, their fertility rate also gets depressed just like the native population. All…

What's up with all these responses about turning women into breeding machines when the basic issue is that it's difficult to provide a decent life for a child on a single income?

How about we make it not a PITA to be a mother?

Re: Community’s 25yrs without a newborn shows scale of Japan’s population crisis

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Post by [deleted] »

danybittel wrote: post #29
ta1312135 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How unhinged is it to call the lack of exponential population growth a crisis? That is not what is being called a crisis. Fertility rate being *far* below replacement (1.3 vs 2.1) is being called a crisis. If the population falls to quickly the ratio of young to old gets unbalanced and there are not enough people young enough to do the work needed to support the population too old to work. All the products and servic…

So the crisis is that there are not enough products and services for an aging population. That's a different crisis than low birth rates, that should be solved differently.

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Re: Community’s 25yrs without a newborn shows scale of Japan’s population crisis

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Post by throwaway290 »

barry-cotter wrote: post #31
akasakahakada wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. Earth as a whole do not lack human, just the matter of imbalanced distribution. More people simply means more pollution and waste. People should consider the idea of "continues growth" as an illness.

If you think people are a problem why not be the solution in your own life?

Harsh but illustrative.

Re: Community’s 25yrs without a newborn shows scale of Japan’s population crisis

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Post by user5678 »

ta1312135 wrote: post #18
admissionsguy wrote: post #10

How unhinged is it to call the lack of exponential population growth a crisis? There are enough (way too many in fact) people already. The social and economic mechanisms just have to adapt to the steady-state or even decreasing population levels. We should be grateful it is happening spontaneously, instead of having to think of instituting invasive policies to limit growth.

How unhinged is it to call the lack of exponential population growth a crisis? That is not what is being called a crisis. Fertility rate being *far* below replacement (1.3 vs 2.1) is being called a crisis. If the population falls to quickly the ratio of young to old gets unbalanced and there are not enough people young enough to do the work needed to support the population too old to work. All the products and servic…

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