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Is there a patch for the kernel 6 line to add back the lar_disable functionality?
This was the patch that removed it: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/f06021a18fcf8d8a1e7... But this commit message is burying the lede a bit. There are two problems here: 1) you can revert the change, but a large part of the regulatory logic lives in the firmware blob running on the chip and you can not change this. 2) the FCC doesn't look kindly upon functionality that ignores regulatory limits being availa…
Linux Intel WiFi driver broken with 5&6GHz bands for longer than three years
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Re: Linux Intel WiFi driver broken with 5&6GHz bands for longer than three years
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Qualcomm's Atheros descended chips are generally the best bet for Linux support, especially for use in an AP. In other words you want a chip supported by the ath10k or ath11k driver depending on which generation of wifi you want. 10k = 802.11ac, 11k = 802.11ax.
ath10k isn't current hardware, though. We used that for Google Fiber wifi back in 2015. The world now has "Wifi 6" and other such nonsense.
Re: Linux Intel WiFi driver broken with 5&6GHz bands for longer than three years
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
This was the patch that removed it: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/f06021a18fcf8d8a1e7... But this commit message is burying the lede a bit. There are two problems here: 1) you can revert the change, but a large part of the regulatory logic lives in the firmware blob running on the chip and you can not change this. 2) the FCC doesn't look kindly upon functionality that ignores regulatory limits being availa…
I move and travel? My hardware will do super illegal things if I can’t change the regions.
Re: Linux Intel WiFi driver broken with 5&6GHz bands for longer than three years
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
The FAA raised a huge stink recently because they weren’t ready for 5G rollout and were worried that the altimeter radar would give false readings on approach to landing. Agencies — even when in the wrong — can throw their weight around and demand that the FCC ban things. Consumers like you and me have no real representation in government so we have no political clout and can’t throw our weight around to demand simpl…
> The FAA raised a huge stink recently because they weren’t ready for 5G rollout and were worried that the altimeter radar would give false readings on approach to landing. If the FAA didn't do its job and certified altimeters that shouldn't have been, as the 5G rollout was announced and previsible, maybe they should start working instead of complaining that others help them do their job? Also, if all it takes to mes…
Wow, that is a lot of misconception about the threat model and real issue at hand packed into a single sentence.
First of all, great, let's say you're right. How do you harden the existing altimeters out there, equipped on thousands of aircraft? These are sensitive, tightly controlled and life-critical instruments. Radar altimeters have been in use for decades, almost a century now, and so the FAA is for the most part talking about already installed altimeters which were designed far before 5G was ever a thing. Likely most of their designs will not readily accommodate hardening against new kinds of RF interference. If you managed to patch all the different kinds out there and get fixes pushed out, that'd be a great effort in labor, logistics, and certification. Of course, one could simply replace the old radar altimeters with new ones, at a much greater cost too.
Separately from the difficulty of actual hardening, there's the question to be asked of, why ask old technology to adapt to new one when we can adapt the new technology to suit the old? Especially because, again, these are safety critical instruments that you don't wanna mess with, whereas 5G towers are much better suited to new experiments or fixes, or just being designed correctly and safely from the get go when the technology hasn't even launched yet.
And then, why do you think this is a security issue, as in an attacker aiming to disrupt air travel? You must be aware that most all aviation radio comms are in the clear and extremely easy to jam and spoof, including critical instrument systems like ILS. That is not the threat model! The FAA is worried about interference from ordinary people trying to use their cellphones, rather than a specialized attacker targeting radar altimeters. Of course, because these are two very different situations!
Re: Linux Intel WiFi driver broken with 5&6GHz bands for longer than three years
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Setting aside issues that can be safety related where consumer equipment overlaps with legacy equipment, there is a tragedy of the commons effect to not attempting to regulate radio power limits. It's incredible how well WiFi works for the amount of power it uses. Obviously turning up the transmit power makes it better... for that one person. For everyone else, that channel has a little bit more noise than before, ma…
> It's incredible how well WiFi works for the amount of power it uses. Actually, WiFi disproves that we'd have a tragedy of the commons. > Having a limit across the board for all mass manufactured devices prevents an escalating spiral of vendors selling 30, then 40, then 50dbm etc routers. No, the AP and the device both have a strong interest to limit the power used: not just to limit interference with other devices…
For home routers this is a weak argument. Since most people download more than they upload, you could probably send a weaker signal from mobile devices and drown the air with signal from anything plugged into a wall socket.
> I just don't understand why most posters here assume the worst by default. Most people are nice and want to obey the law.
Maybe it's just where I live, but I don't see that on the road (people risking accidents to gain 30 seconds). People will only follow the law if they think it's worth their inconvenience and lots of people weight this in a bad way.
How many hand-tuned APs does it take to make a whole building lose significant bandwidth? After this the regulation has to become looser so the legal devices can keep working, and it never really gets better.
Re: Linux Intel WiFi driver broken with 5&6GHz bands for longer than three years
#116Ahh, that's about the time IIRC that Dell started soldering in their wireless chips on the XPS 13. Previously you could swap them out for a different chip with better drivers, now you're stuck.
Embarrassing decision. All in the pursuit of a slightly thinner chassis, I imagine.
Re: Linux Intel WiFi driver broken with 5&6GHz bands for longer than three years
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there a patch for the kernel 6 line to add back the lar_disable functionality?
This was the patch that removed it: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/f06021a18fcf8d8a1e7... But this commit message is burying the lede a bit. There are two problems here: 1) you can revert the change, but a large part of the regulatory logic lives in the firmware blob running on the chip and you can not change this. 2) the FCC doesn't look kindly upon functionality that ignores regulatory limits being availa…
So you need to travel with like a dozen WiFi cards? Setting the region in software is a feature to all travelers...
Re: Linux Intel WiFi driver broken with 5&6GHz bands for longer than three years
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
This was the patch that removed it: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/f06021a18fcf8d8a1e7... But this commit message is burying the lede a bit. There are two problems here: 1) you can revert the change, but a large part of the regulatory logic lives in the firmware blob running on the chip and you can not change this. 2) the FCC doesn't look kindly upon functionality that ignores regulatory limits being availa…
> The reality is that these WiFi chips should probably have some fuse in them that decides what regulatory region they were made for and then run off that, but you can see the business people losing their mind over that: now you need to have a hundred different SKUs and worse you need to understand your distribution chain. So a software setting it is, and then you see why the FCC is upset. So you need to travel with…
Some appliances aren’t 100-240V. Geolocation enforces region based pricing. Cell phone plan costs vary by several orders of magnitude.
Re: Linux Intel WiFi driver broken with 5&6GHz bands for longer than three years
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’d argue SSG and caching are the same solution just a difference in where the cache resides (disk vs memory) and warming strategy (on-demand vs preemptive)
> where the cache resides (disk vs memory) local vs CDN that is...
Re: Linux Intel WiFi driver broken with 5&6GHz bands for longer than three years
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Macs are not a replacement for a Linux desktop, laptop or a server. They do not provide the same options nor allow you do the same things. There is some overlap, but same as you wouldn't use a Linux desktop to run the Adobe suite, Macs are poorly suited for servers, development , power users, etc. - outside of the Apple ecosystem of course, because it's literally the only choice. For anything else, any recent Linux d…
> Macs are poorly suited for … development, power users… Am I misunderstanding you or does this not describe the vast majority of Mac users in Silicon Valley?