I've just watched the Microsoft 365 copilot presentation. They never mentioned hallucinations, and talked about errors maybe once? This thing will definitely make stupid errors and will make up things when summarizing, doing presentations etc. - unless it achieves near human level intelligence of course - but in this case everyone'll lose their job. I'm really curious what'll eventually happen? How are we going to li…
You're looking at this in a black and white way, overlooking all of the uses where it doesn't have to be perfect. If it saves humans even a few minutes, it's a good tool.
GPT-4: A Copilot for the Mind
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're looking at this in a black and white way, overlooking all of the uses where it doesn't have to be perfect. If it saves humans even a few minutes, it's a good tool.
Absolutely. The user still needs good taste right now too - if it writes you a mission statement or something else you have still have to know whether its good or not.
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#13I'm a writer and have been thinking a lot about use case (2)—since I'm not emotionally ready for my job to be taken by AI, I'm trying to figure out how to use AI to do it better. So far, I've been exclusively considering the use of AI in the sense of the "photographers using photoshop" analogy. That is, using GPT-4 to quickly draft or edit things based on prompts, while I, the human, am still "doing the work" creatively speaking. Obviously this is feasible today and going to become normalized soon, to some extent.
However, this article makes an interesting case for (2) in a way I hadn't considered before: GPT-4 opens up entirely new ways for humans to work, period. ChatGPT already improves on Google for high-level research—ask it for a summary of some well-established topic or field and chances are you'll get a coherent and set of pretty-accurate facts cobbled together from its training data (much of the Web, Wikipedia, scientific papers). But when tools become available that let ChatGPT provide this kind of summary from my own works, notes, and prior research? That is going to totally change the game.
In the last couple years I've already seen easily a 2-3x boost in my writing productivity thanks to Obsidian, a research tool that—at least the way I use it—is entirely "manual" (i.e. not automated or "smart"). If I could get the benefits of Obsidian for making connections between information and ideas, powered by an intelligent assistant that "knows" how I think and what I think about... it's cliché to say the possibilities are endless, but that's really what I'm looking at here.
Anyway, I want to inject some optimism into this hot topic. It may end up that in 10 years we're all unemployed. But I still need to do my job today. I see a lot of reasons to be excited, rather than defeatist, for the applications and value of GPT-4 in this regard.
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#14"For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they…
Socrates: I heard, then, that at Naucratis, in Egypt, was one of the ancient gods of that country, the one whose sacred bird is called the ibis, and the name of the god himself was Theuth. He it was who invented numbers and arithmetic and geometry and astronomy, also draughts and dice, and, most important of all, letters.
Now the king of all Egypt at that time was the god Thamus, who lived in the great city of the upper region, which the Greeks call the Egyptian Thebes, and they call the god himself Ammon. To him came Theuth to show his inventions, saying that they ought to be imparted to the other Egyptians. But Thamus asked what use there was in each, and as Theuth enumerated their uses, expressed praise or blame, according as he approved or disapproved.
"The story goes that Thamus said many things to Theuth in praise or blame of the various arts, which it would take too long to repeat; but when they came to the letters, "This invention, O king," said Theuth, "will make the Egyptians wiser and will improve their memories; for it is an elixir of memory and wisdom that I have discovered." But Thamus replied, "Most ingenious Theuth, one man has the ability to beget arts, but the ability to judge of their usefulness or harmfulness to their users belongs to another; and now you, who are the father of letters, have been led by your affection to ascribe to them a power the opposite of that which they really possess.
"For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise."
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#15"For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they…
I can tolerate no longer remembering everyone's phone numbers since I started using a cell phone, but I'm not eager to give up thinking. I don't want to get into the habit of reaching for ChatGPT when I want to write someone an email or post a comment on HN.
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#16By offloading your cognitive tasks to an AI, even though you now look smarter, you're becoming dumber in the long run, because you're never really challeging and exercising your intelect. This book[1] goes into a lot of detail about how rote memorization and recall is essential to critical thinking (you have a limited working memory, and the way by which you're able to critically think about complex subjects is by chunking, which only works with concepts you've previously memorized). If you just stop exercising your recall and critical thinking, they'll get weaker and weaker.
I feel that already with ChatGPT. Before, whenever I needed to learn some programming concept, I'd have to search vast amounts of resources to learn it. By being exposed to many different points of view, I always felt that what I had learned stuck with me for much longer. If I just ask ChatGPT, I get the answer faster, but I also forget faster. It's not learning.
Learning, with capital L, is not supposed to be easy. It's supposed to be hard. Education is about making what is hard a worthwhile pursuit. The people who get lured into thinking they'll be smarter if they plug themselves to the matrix will be shooting themselves in the foot.
For me, relying on OpenAI to function cognitively is like relying on Google to turn my lightbulb on. It looks cool, but it doesn't make any sense.
[1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4959061-why-don-t-studen...
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#17I've just watched the Microsoft 365 copilot presentation. They never mentioned hallucinations, and talked about errors maybe once? This thing will definitely make stupid errors and will make up things when summarizing, doing presentations etc. - unless it achieves near human level intelligence of course - but in this case everyone'll lose their job. I'm really curious what'll eventually happen? How are we going to li…
You're looking at this in a black and white way, overlooking all of the uses where it doesn't have to be perfect. If it saves humans even a few minutes, it's a good tool.
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#18Am I the only one who thinks this is a really bad idea? By offloading your cognitive tasks to an AI, even though you now look smarter, you're becoming dumber in the long run, because you're never really challeging and exercising your intelect. This book[1] goes into a lot of detail about how rote memorization and recall is essential to critical thinking (you have a limited working memory, and the way by which you're…
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#19"For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they…
What he didn't factor in was the effect on information logistics. This turned out to outweigh the drawbacks of more false wisdom.