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Re: Give babies peanut butter to cut peanut allergies, study says

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Post by stametseater » Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 6:25 PM UTC

bombcar wrote: post #95

gimmeThaBeet wrote: post #68

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I was seeing that, I was a bit surprised that it seemed like the actual branded product. My habit is to figure out who makes that kind of stuff, when I saw Osem, I was thinking "how haven't they been acquired by some behemoth?" And then quickly found "ah nevermind, nestle" Peanut butter cheetos sounds like an incredible proposition, I'm going to be looking around for them this weekend!

Trader Joes (and Costco) are just fine selling branded product if they can get a deal for it cheap enough. It's usually the manufacturer that doesn't want to "cheapen their brand" to hit the price points, but they're willing to "bulk up" for Costco or sell direct to Trader Joes at times.

I've seen Trader Joes selling branded canned chili (Stagg) and the cashier remarked that they were only stocking it that week for the super bowl.

Re: Give babies peanut butter to cut peanut allergies, study says

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Post by gingerlime » Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 6:27 PM UTC

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #118

ladberg wrote: post #42

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For anyone wondering, Trader Joe's sells these in the US! They're great, and they're "real" Bamba and not a TJ's replica.

Yep. We used that with our kid and he seems to have avoided peanut allergy. It also tastes pretty good! But, it didn't stop him from developing a walnut/pecan allergy. Probably because we don't really eat either of those in our house.

My child also has walnut/pecan allergy. I don't recall him eating much Bamba before (I'm from Israel originally, so it won't surprise me if he did). No peanut allergy luckily. It triggered when he was quite young after eating brownies with pecan/walnut.

Re: Give babies peanut butter to cut peanut allergies, study says

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Post by cacois » Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 6:30 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #50

nerpderp82 wrote: post #2

> Food allergies are the result of our immune system mistaking something harmless for a severe threat. If you IDS has never seen X and X is unlike anything it has seen, it will probably flag it. > There had been long-standing advice to avoid foods that can trigger allergies during early childhood. At one point, families were once told to avoid peanut until their child was three years old. This advice was never based…

> This advice was never based on science. No, it was based on common sense. If X causes problems, not doing X is generally a good idea. It turns out that in this particular scenario, common sense was wrong. But allergies weren't understood by science, so all we had to go on was common sense.

No, this was done from fear. My generation were given peanut butter early, and it was tested in a small amount to see if there was a problem first. This was common sense for a long long time, and it seemed to work fine.

A generation later parents were told to avoid it until age 3 or 4 for no real reason, and it created a ton of peanut allergies in those kids. They were scared of their kid having a peanut allergy. This was fear, counter to the common sense they themselves were raised with.

Re: Give babies peanut butter to cut peanut allergies, study says

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Post by rabidonrails » Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 6:32 PM UTC

soperj wrote: post #19

Somehow all the studies end up being on jewish kids in Isreal vs. jewish kids in England. Not exactly a representative sample of people across the globe. The studies themselves have all the hallmarks of shit science, but everyone on here seems to agree with it because it fits their world view.

But that's exactly why this is so interesting. You take a set of people with extremely similar genetics but somehow have very different reactions.

I suppose a technical (albeit not precise) analogy would be you producing 100 servers and selling half to both AWS and Azure. Then you find out that 25 of the servers at Azure are overheating and dying while AWS doesn't seem to have this problem at all. So you look into it and find that AWS is air-cooling their systems while Azure isn't. Sure you could argue post post hoc ergo propter hoc but you'd also probably call the folks at Azure and tell them to install an air-cooling system.

Extrapolating that to your point, you're saying it would be "shit" to tell the folks at Azure to install the air-cooling because you didn't test this acrossa majority of servers you've produced. The folks at Azure would point the incredible similarities (this is the same server model, the same chips, the same manufacturing run etc.) and then would promptly find another vendor.

Re: Give babies peanut butter to cut peanut allergies, study says

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Post by ghaff » Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 6:32 PM UTC

fsckboy wrote: post #190

bombcar wrote: post #153

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Those are the companies that don't want to admit selling their stuff for cheaper, so they get it store-branded.

you say it like it's a sort of corporate slut-shaming, but it's not. If you build a factory big enough to make 1/2 the cheese puffs in the world, there's an incentive to make it bigger and make all the cheese puffs in the world. Going from small batch bake/frying to assembly line flow is the 1st step, but once you're over that hurdle, you might as well go big, as long as you can handle the risk of being stuck with th…

>did you know that even if you aren't a very big pizzeria or bakery you can order custom-milled flour from King Arthur for your restaurant? Their factory can handle it, and it engenders brand loyalty from fussy chefs.

I didn't. Although I'm not that surprised given I think King Arthur Flour has maybe around 500 employees or so including a cafe, retail shop, and cooking classes and sells a pretty premium product. (Was actually surprised the number is so low. It's also employee-owned.)

Re: Give babies peanut butter to cut peanut allergies, study says

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Post by Xeoncross » Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 6:34 PM UTC

There are interesting studies being done about the effect of cesarean (non-vaginal) birth is having on babies not picking up a lot of the bacteria from the mother.

I know soap marketing has convinced us all that bacteria is evil, but apparently some bacteria is essential for humans (and animals, insects, etc..) being able to process certain foods.

Some bacteria is bad, some is bad in high quantities, and some is essential to digestion and/or virus control. If this is true, I would expect countries with higher cesarean birth rates to also have more allergies (though that wouldn't have to be the only reason).

Re: Give babies peanut butter to cut peanut allergies, study says

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Post by stametseater » Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 6:34 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #50

nerpderp82 wrote: post #2

> Food allergies are the result of our immune system mistaking something harmless for a severe threat. If you IDS has never seen X and X is unlike anything it has seen, it will probably flag it. > There had been long-standing advice to avoid foods that can trigger allergies during early childhood. At one point, families were once told to avoid peanut until their child was three years old. This advice was never based…

> This advice was never based on science. No, it was based on common sense. If X causes problems, not doing X is generally a good idea. It turns out that in this particular scenario, common sense was wrong. But allergies weren't understood by science, so all we had to go on was common sense.

Peanut allergies were exceptionally rare decades ago when nobody worried about peanut allergies in the first place. In the 20th century everybody in America sent their kids to school with peanut butter sandwiches and virtually everybody was fine. I didn't even know people could be allergic to peanuts until I was an adult. Now schools ban peanut butter sandwiches and it seems like every other family claims their child is allergic to peanuts. Common sense says that we need to give kids more peanut butter sandwiches, like we used to, and it would stop being a problem.

Also, we should stop testing for allergies unless there is a good reason to test a specific person for a specific allergy (e.g. they already had a bad reaction to something, and need to figure out what.) Those allergen tests have many false positives, people that could have gone their whole lives eating peanuts without thinking twice about it will instead spend their whole lives avoiding peanuts because a precautionary allergen test came back sliightly positive and they "don't want to take the risk". More medical testing is not always a good thing.

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Post by taejo » Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 6:38 PM UTC

perakojotgenije wrote: post #102

chadash wrote: post #16

This is not new news, but nonetheless important to replicate and keep studying. I think the first often-cited study about this was in 2008 [1]. There are several more, including one in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2015 [2]. Basically, the original study looked at Jewish kids in Israel versus the UK and saw that peanut allergies were about 10x lower in Israel, even though Jews of European background (Ashkena…

If you can't find Bamba but you have European or Balkan shop nearby you can try buying Smoki [1], it's the same thing. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=smoki&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiE...

Looks like it's what's called Erdnussflips in Germany

Re: Give babies peanut butter to cut peanut allergies, study says

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Post by stametseater » Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 6:45 PM UTC

bradleyjg wrote: post #191

havblue wrote: post #158

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This is a point of frustration between my wife and me and it repeats every 6 months or so. "Honey, let's feed the girls some shrimp so they don't get allergies." "No. Not yet. I don't want them to get mercury poisoning. It can wait."

I was under the impression that shrimp was among the lowest mercury seafood, along with herring, anchovies, and a few others.

The smaller the fish, the less mercury it has. The ones you have to watch out for are the big fish that eat lots of medium fish that in turn eat lots of smaller fish; each stage in the food chain concentrates more and more mercury. Sharks and tuna have a lot of mercury. And smaller tuna, like skipjack, have less mercury than larger tuna.

Also I think the threat of mercury in fish is greatly overstated anyway. Look at Japan; they eat tons of fish and they're not all brain damaged dummies.

Re: Give babies peanut butter to cut peanut allergies, study says

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Post by panzagl » Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 6:46 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #50

nerpderp82 wrote: post #2

> Food allergies are the result of our immune system mistaking something harmless for a severe threat. If you IDS has never seen X and X is unlike anything it has seen, it will probably flag it. > There had been long-standing advice to avoid foods that can trigger allergies during early childhood. At one point, families were once told to avoid peanut until their child was three years old. This advice was never based…

> This advice was never based on science. No, it was based on common sense. If X causes problems, not doing X is generally a good idea. It turns out that in this particular scenario, common sense was wrong. But allergies weren't understood by science, so all we had to go on was common sense.

My daughter developed (non life-threatening) allergies to corn, eggs, and apples, all of which she had been exposed to plenty beforehand, so it's not necessarily that straightforward.