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On switching to Arch Linux

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Re: On switching to Arch Linux

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Minimalism means faster boot time, less cruft in $HOME, generally knowing where stuff is, and more time to comb my enormous neckbeard...

I guess that's slightly less expensive than just getting a crazy fast SSD drive.

Not if you factor in the time investments.

Re: On switching to Arch Linux

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You should've tried this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Yaourt

That's exactly what I was trying to install. I just couldn't get it to work. No doubt some simple step I had overlooked, but not being able to install the installer was extremely frustrating.

Download tarball, unpack, run `makepkg`, run `pacman -U .tar.gz`. It's all here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR#Installing_packages

Re: On switching to Arch Linux

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I read the article and groaned. My days of "tweak it until it works, just for fun" are pretty much past me (I'm typing this on a Mac, for instance). I like to spend my energy creating things these days. But Arch seems really cool if you want to rebuild Linux systems for fun & knowledge!

Once you have Arch set up, there is very little tweaking that needs to be done. It "just works", well unless you have an AMD or NVIDIA graphics card and a new kernel or xorg comes out which isn't supported yet...

Well, there are no graphics cards except AMD and NVIDIA (for Intel doesn't make discrete cards). And someone's a GPGPU developer who develops for various bleeding-edge Radeons and Teslas.

Re: On switching to Arch Linux

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Arch has kinda blossomed into a nano-debian status, people start to build stuff upon it, archbang, archhurd, it's great. The former has filled the 'out of the box' niche sort of, now you have a minimalist yet ready to use system. # note aside, about nixos, I can't tell how it's gonna turn out, but for once it's a linux system with a real paradigm shift. Funny how non-mutable ideas are spreading these days, btrfs, nix…

You may be right. I have only recently made the switch to wm, mostly because of the problems with gnome 3. Originally gnome was the only de that I liked, absolutely hated KDE for no real reason other than something about it bothered me. Then gnome 3 just ruined it. Then I discovered wms. I'm probably more attracted to openbox because the stacking is closer to the sort of window management that you would get in any de…

Xmonad mainly, look at the video you'll see some usages where tiling shines ( chat , monitor ), only drawback, it requires haskell which is a large bundle. When space is limited , dwm6, less fancy tile modes but super tiny.

I found those peaceful to use, you just forget they're here even though they lay things for you.

Should start a Tiling WM thread :D

Re: On switching to Arch Linux

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I wanted to try Arch to see what the fuss was about after I got badly burned by the Ubuntu 11.10 upgrade. I'm not a Linux newbie by any stretch and I managed to get it set up in a virtual machine, but when it came time to install the community package installer, I just couldn't do it. I was no doubt doing something stupid. But after fiddling with it for half an hour, I sat back and said to myself, "If I can't even in…

Once ago, I spent a few hours during the night installing Arch, painfully managed to set most of stuff working and then... formatted it the hell out. Just as you say, my computer and my OS are my tools too, and tools only. I need to get my shit done, not spend all days long quircking every basic detail just to make it work. Even if my disk crashes I can set up a fully configured and working Debian with all most needed software, repos downloaded and ready to do real work in one hour flat. And if I wanted real challenge and had way too much free time, I'd probably try LFS. Or shoot myself in the foot.

If you don't like the way Ubuntu went, go with Debian (sid if you like the warm feeling of having the newest stuff).

Re: On switching to Arch Linux

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I wanted to try Arch to see what the fuss was about after I got badly burned by the Ubuntu 11.10 upgrade. I'm not a Linux newbie by any stretch and I managed to get it set up in a virtual machine, but when it came time to install the community package installer, I just couldn't do it. I was no doubt doing something stupid. But after fiddling with it for half an hour, I sat back and said to myself, "If I can't even in…

I ran with an arch install for about a semester, similarly after not liking Ubuntu's direction. I figured it was also a nice time to try out a tiling window manage so I used xmonad. It was fun for a bit and the rolling release cycle was nice, but when it comes down to it every small change takes too much time. You end up hunting down config files or hacking things to work the way you want them and it can burn hours.

Re: On switching to Arch Linux

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Thanks for the tips, I was recently thinking of installing Linux on my secondary desktop and Arch seems like a good choice.

I played around with Slackware a few years ago and it was a good learning experience doing things like trying to get wifi to work and configuring xmonad. Arch does appear to have more extensive/organized documentation compared to Slackware though, which would make the learning process go smoother.

Re: On switching to Arch Linux

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Arch has kinda blossomed into a nano-debian status, people start to build stuff upon it, archbang, archhurd, it's great. The former has filled the 'out of the box' niche sort of, now you have a minimalist yet ready to use system. # note aside, about nixos, I can't tell how it's gonna turn out, but for once it's a linux system with a real paradigm shift. Funny how non-mutable ideas are spreading these days, btrfs, nix…

You may be right. I have only recently made the switch to wm, mostly because of the problems with gnome 3. Originally gnome was the only de that I liked, absolutely hated KDE for no real reason other than something about it bothered me. Then gnome 3 just ruined it. Then I discovered wms. I'm probably more attracted to openbox because the stacking is closer to the sort of window management that you would get in any de…

For some reason (there must be a limit on the number of subthread levels) there was no reply link under your last message so I'm replying to my own in the hopes that you're reading it.

I'm sure there are quite a few wm/de threads on the arch forums. They get a little repetitive though. Maybe a thread about the less obvious subtleties and tricks for your favorite wm.

Re: On switching to Arch Linux

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If you want to learn the entire Linux ecosystem, I can't recommend Arch enough.

From personal experience, don't try to install Arch on your machine unless you have another internet-capable device in hand. You're going to reach for ArchWiki several times.

Of course, ArchWiki is an incredible resource with great examples, so as long as you have it, the process is mostly painless.

Arch is kind of an intermediate Linux in terms of how much it will rely on your configuration. Not quite Gentoo, but far, far, far away from Ubuntu.

Re: On switching to Arch Linux

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I read the article and groaned. My days of "tweak it until it works, just for fun" are pretty much past me (I'm typing this on a Mac, for instance). I like to spend my energy creating things these days. But Arch seems really cool if you want to rebuild Linux systems for fun & knowledge!

Mac has major package management issues. Homebrew is fine (not as good as the linux counterparts, but fine), but if you make the mistake of installing Ruby with RVM Homebrew won't work, and you will spend a lot of time fixing it. With Arch you just have to get your basics set up and any development related item you need, there are precompiled packages you will install in seconds.

I've found RVM in general to be pretty temperamental; regardless of OS. rbenv[1] seems much saner.

[1] https://github.com/sstephenson/rbenv

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