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Post by dxbydt »

creakingstairs wrote: post #37

Sharing some Korean Yojijukugos (originating from China) 위록지마(謂鹿止馬) wii rok ji ma To point at a deer and call it a horse. Used for suck ups who says agrees to things that are clearly not right. 읍참마속(泣斬馬謖) ub cham ma sok To behead Ma Su (name) while crying. In the Romance of Three Kingdoms, Zhuge Liang had to behead his favourite general Ma Su as he wept because Ma Su ignored the given command resulting in losing the…

> 위록지마(謂鹿止馬) wii rok ji ma > To point at a deer and call it a horse.

Very common South Indian proverb. Of course, our version goes -

To point at a donkey and call it a horse.

I guess because donkeys are way more common than deer in South India. I'm curious about the etymology. Did it really originate in China ? If so, how come its so commonly used in South India ? The Chinese monks Faxian[1] and Xuanzang[2] visited India during the 5th/7th AD...the proverb came along with them ?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faxian [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xuanzang

Re: Shoshikantetsu

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Post by lubesGordi »

jaqalopes wrote: post #76

Having a high say-do ratio has always been important to me I've never encountered this idea, but as soon I read it I suddenly see it everywhere. My roommate who tells me he'll clean the kitchen then doesn't; my cousin who says he'll come to dinner then cancels. My best friend who says she'll start going to the gym and never does. My world is awash in people who say the most wonderful things and then don't do any of t…

I bet you live in California.

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Post by rawgabbit »

dxbydt wrote: post #101
creakingstairs wrote: post #37

Sharing some Korean Yojijukugos (originating from China) 위록지마(謂鹿止馬) wii rok ji ma To point at a deer and call it a horse. Used for suck ups who says agrees to things that are clearly not right. 읍참마속(泣斬馬謖) ub cham ma sok To behead Ma Su (name) while crying. In the Romance of Three Kingdoms, Zhuge Liang had to behead his favourite general Ma Su as he wept because Ma Su ignored the given command resulting in losing the…

> 위록지마(謂鹿止馬) wii rok ji ma > To point at a deer and call it a horse. Very common South Indian proverb. Of course, our version goes - To point at a donkey and call it a horse. I guess because donkeys are way more common than deer in South India. I'm curious about the etymology. Did it really originate in China ? If so, how come its so commonly used in South India ? The Chinese monks Faxian[1] and Xuanzang[2] visited I…

The phrase comes from Sima Qian's "The Records of the Grand Historian" written in 94BCE. Zhao Gao was a eunuch and hid the first Emperor's death and schemed to have the rightful heir killed. Zhao installed a puppet and tested everyone's loyalty by declaring a stag a horse and dared anyone to question him.

https://cesnur.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/tjoc_6_4_5_che...

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Post by pmontra »

stavros wrote: post #92
jaqalopes wrote: post #76

Having a high say-do ratio has always been important to me I've never encountered this idea, but as soon I read it I suddenly see it everywhere. My roommate who tells me he'll clean the kitchen then doesn't; my cousin who says he'll come to dinner then cancels. My best friend who says she'll start going to the gym and never does. My world is awash in people who say the most wonderful things and then don't do any of t…

Why would you want a high say/do ratio? Did he mean "low"? I don't understand why you'd want to say a lot of things and do only a few.

Neither high nor low. I think that the author wants to have that ratio close to 1 and got mistaken because of the bias that high is better than low.

Or an high ratio of done / !done.

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Post by hyperjeff »

jaqalopes wrote: post #76

Having a high say-do ratio has always been important to me I've never encountered this idea, but as soon I read it I suddenly see it everywhere. My roommate who tells me he'll clean the kitchen then doesn't; my cousin who says he'll come to dinner then cancels. My best friend who says she'll start going to the gym and never does. My world is awash in people who say the most wonderful things and then don't do any of t…

A high say-do ratio would be bad. A high do-say works.

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Post by vlod »

dools wrote: post #52

I always say this to my kids when they don’t feel like doing some habit: just half arse it. Another phrase I use is: if something is worth doing, it’s worth doing poorly. I run 12km every day, but some days I don’t get out until the afternoon, like today, and it was 30 degrees C and I could only run 8kms and when I got to the bottom of the hill at the 8km mark I couldn’t run up it and just walked the remaining 4km ho…

I have a favourite saying "Half arse is better than no arse".

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Post by jaqalopes »

lubesGordi wrote: post #102
jaqalopes wrote: post #76

Having a high say-do ratio has always been important to me I've never encountered this idea, but as soon I read it I suddenly see it everywhere. My roommate who tells me he'll clean the kitchen then doesn't; my cousin who says he'll come to dinner then cancels. My best friend who says she'll start going to the gym and never does. My world is awash in people who say the most wonderful things and then don't do any of t…

I bet you live in California.

Close. Similar milieu, different American coast.

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Post by nerpderp82 »

hyperjeff wrote: post #105
jaqalopes wrote: post #76

Having a high say-do ratio has always been important to me I've never encountered this idea, but as soon I read it I suddenly see it everywhere. My roommate who tells me he'll clean the kitchen then doesn't; my cousin who says he'll come to dinner then cancels. My best friend who says she'll start going to the gym and never does. My world is awash in people who say the most wonderful things and then don't do any of t…

A high say-do ratio would be bad. A high do-say works.

I tried this for awhile (3-4 months) and it was extremely effective. Two rules.

1) I only talked about what I did

2) I only talked about things that occurred in the last

It biases you for action.

Re: Shoshikantetsu

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Post by nerpderp82 »

If you like this, you might like Nassim Taleb's thoughts on "Skin in the Game", a book by the same name and plenty of discussions and interviews on youtube.
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