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Re: Twitter Will Censor Certain Tweets In Certain Countries

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How does a new search engine complying with existing laws impact "freedom" (a nebulous concept) in any meaningful way?

How does equating rationality with profit-maximization further this discussion in any meaningful way?

Because in this case, they're one in the same?

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post #49

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It sounds like you're pointing to a definition of "free" that doesn't include exceptions for incitement, classified information, etc. It's a nice principal, but unworkable in the real world.

> It's a nice principal, but unworkable in the real world. Reference? Why is it unworkable?

You somehow expect a world without any secrets of any kind to function?

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I can't hardly overestimate something I didn't make an estimation of.

Oh FFS. >Outcome A': Google avoids China altogether, keeping the pressure on Chinese authorities, which may, on the long term You did type this, yes?

Yes. Where is the amount, extent, position, size, or value of the pressure exerted on China, that I estimated too highly?

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Oh FFS. >Outcome A': Google avoids China altogether, keeping the pressure on Chinese authorities, which may, on the long term You did type this, yes?

Yes. Where is the amount, extent, position, size, or value of the pressure exerted on China, that I estimated too highly?

The fact that there is any pressure whatsoever. Of all the countries in the world, China is the most able (from an economic and political standpoint) to tell a western company to take their service and shove it.

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I'm going to guess this is more about Germany than it is about China In Germany, Nazi propaganda is illegal. This leaves Twitter with three options when dealing with a user who posts Nazi propaganda: 1. Leave it up, in violation of German law. 2. Delete the user's tweet, even though it is legal in most countries (and blocking it is a violation of the principle of free speech) 3. Block it only in Germany, and make it…

With counties bringing in even more restrictions on free speech which contradict each other this will be fun. Take the Armenian genocide for example. Denying it will be a crime in France, but claiming it happened can lead to charges of "insulting Turkishnes" in Turkey (the charges were later dropped against Orhan Pamuk).

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Yes. Where is the amount, extent, position, size, or value of the pressure exerted on China, that I estimated too highly?

The fact that there is any pressure whatsoever. Of all the countries in the world, China is the most able (from an economic and political standpoint) to tell a western company to take their service and shove it.

That's a very shallow view of how the non-autarkic part of the world (to which China certainly belongs) works, China's recent history and the influence of the "cocacolonization" effect. Stating it exerts no pressure whatsoever is an extraordinary claim.

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The fact that law depends on which position on this planet you stay is ridiculous.

I vote that every single law is trashed and new laws are written completely from scratch. Based on universial human rights. Without discriminating anyone without a valid reason (e.g. the person is not aware of risks causing by this or that action)

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post #29

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It's a violation in the moral sense, depending of course in your morals. Twitter's image involves the protection if free speech, so it's problematic for them.

It's only a violation in so far as its less of a violation to a persons free speech than blocking the whole service. Users can be creative with what they want to express with this approach - with no Twitter at all, where is the wiggle room?

The wiggle room is that maybe, when Twitter, Google and Facebook, and every other company that values free speech (if in fact they actually do) pulls out of their country, the citizens will realize how shitty their laws against free speech actually are, and have them repealed. Twitter may have principles, but they're sacrificing them here in favor of German/Chinese revenue.

Re: Twitter Will Censor Certain Tweets In Certain Countries

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post #49

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> It's a nice principal, but unworkable in the real world. Reference? Why is it unworkable?

You somehow expect a world without any secrets of any kind to function?

You somehow expect a world where governments lie to it's own people to function?

(Not only that, you seem to accept that governments lying is fine, but exposing those lies is a violation of free speech...???)

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