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Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Thanks for the many insights in this discussion.

I've collected them and added more analysis, inventory and mitigation tips in a new blog post. (GitLab team member here)

https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2023/03/16/how-gitlab-can-help...

The blog post includes a Python script to programmatically search CI/CD configurations in GitLab, shows the Dependency Proxy and container registry possibilities, and discusses more ideas around custom Docker images (Dockerfile: FROM), Kubernetes/IaC image usage, policies and Observability. Hope sharing this knowledge helps :-)

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

> Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line of decisions that are clearly being made because they can't work out how to build a business around what is at it's core a nice UI for Linux containers. It should have been just a small company, doing this, and making some money for their trouble instead of whatever it is they're trying to be.

That might be possible for soemthing that "only" writes and distributes software (that can also work on levels of success much less stellar than sqlite), but when you try to pull off hosting services at internet scale like docker hub did, with some free tiers, it's just not feasible to include it all in the bills of user subset that is actually willing and able to pay. The playbook is always the same: "maybe we could do that high impact free tier if we had more funding?" and that "whatever it is they're trying to be" is an implicit consequence of that, that ambition comes with the funding. "just a small company" mean bootstrapped, and bulk hosting like docker hub would simply not happen.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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I would be very interested to see a citation on the troll rate.

Lizardman’s Constant by Scott Alexander: https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and...

That's not a citation. That's a guy making things up.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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From the article: > If you are able to completely delete your organisation, then you could re-create it as a free personal account. That should be enough to reserve the name to prevent hostile take-over. Has Docker forgotten Remember leftpad? > > This is unlikely that large projects can simply delete their organisation and all its images. > > If that's the case, and you can tolerate some downtime, you could try the f…

Yeah, the procedure outlined in the article is not going to work so don't even attempt it. No way to rename personal account right now.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Good point. A dual system would be ideal. http to ensure coverage, bt to achieve network effects on the popular images. Presumably a few - nginx and what not - have a high %

Many (most?) BitTorrent clients support web seeding[1] by a regular HTTP server. A public registry could do web seeding, with bandwidth restrictions if needed, to ensure availability. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent#Web_seeding

You could even do some BT freeriding on top of multiple HTTP sources.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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As long as we don’t share ownership in these platforms, nothing will ever truly belong to us. For Docker, the software, a Libre alternative is Podman. Instead of GitHub, use Codeberg, an open organization and service. Now we need a Docker registry cooperative owned by everyone.

"Now we need a Docker registry cooperative owned by everyone."

You can build a pyramid with a non-profit, but that does not mean it owned by everyone.

Pyramids are problematic, as governance are a nightmare.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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It's going to cost companies a lot more money to migrate their docker dependencies than simply pay their open source dependency maintainers to keep the org intact. Might as well become a project sponsor!

This could be the best thing to happen to open source projects if the argument is framed correctly. You don't solve a cost problem by pursuing a more costly alternative.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Why didn't Docker ever offer managed container hosting? That seems like the obvious logical next step when you create a tool for easy deploys. Instead it's 2023 and we finally get that with Fly.io. I must be missing something obvious, because otherwise I feel like I'm going insane.

They did[1]. It was later shut down. 1: https://venturebeat.com/business/docker-acquires-container-d...

Per https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10425097

> Tutum is not a real PaaS, it runs containers in the user infrastructure and can be easily adapted to run on-premise

Which doesn't sound like managed container hosting to me. Their site is gone though so I'm not really sure. There was 0 discussion around their shutdown, if they did have a managed solution I'm curious why it failed. Too early?

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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They did[1]. It was later shut down. 1: https://venturebeat.com/business/docker-acquires-container-d...

Per https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10425097 > Tutum is not a real PaaS, it runs containers in the user infrastructure and can be easily adapted to run on-premise Which doesn't sound like managed container hosting to me. Their site is gone though so I'm not really sure. There was 0 discussion around their shutdown, if they did have a managed solution I'm curious why it failed. Too early?

All references to it are redirects now, but here's a HN discussion on the topic[1]. Here's the content on the wayback machine[2]

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16665130 2: https://web.archive.org/web/20180328234733/https://docs.dock...

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