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Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by xslvrxslwt »

bflesch wrote: post #177
xslvrxslwt wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hetzner is not on the level of the any you mentioned. It's dirt cheap because latencies and protections against exploits are non-existent, sure it serves good when you don't have such needs but the moment you need any (i.e. DDoS protection and low/stable ms for game servers) - hetzner is out of the window. - Someone that used to fry lil hetzner servers for fun

Interesting. can you maybe tell us some anecdotes?

If you mean the anecdotes related to >used to fry lil hetzner servers for funhttps://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/04/ddos-for-hire-service-we...

should be enough

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by xslvrxslwt »

abujazar wrote: post #226
xslvrxslwt wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hetzner is not on the level of the any you mentioned. It's dirt cheap because latencies and protections against exploits are non-existent, sure it serves good when you don't have such needs but the moment you need any (i.e. DDoS protection and low/stable ms for game servers) - hetzner is out of the window. - Someone that used to fry lil hetzner servers for fun

Not my experience at all. Hetzner obviously does offer DDoS protection and responds quickly to that kind of issues. I've also had Hetzner techs proactively contact me regarding attacks on our infrastructure (none of which actually took any of our servers down, by the way). For specialized needs, you can even have your own hardware installed next by your servers in the same rack for a relatively small premium.

sir, I'm the former staff member of the infamous webstresser.org, I think I should know what we received millions of dollars for,

I understand that you never received attacks of such 'large' scale but it takes $5 to take a hetzner server down (assuming you don't know how to do it yourself)

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by fuzzy2 »

riku_iki wrote: post #295
fuzzy2 wrote: post #207

Too bad the entry-level offers still have such small SSDs. My EX41 from 2017(!) has SSDs that size. It’s high time to up the minimum size. I don’t need 64 GiB of RAM or a gazillion CPU cores or whatever, I just need reasonably-sized (1 TB+) storage. Not HDDs, but SSDs.

they allow to add ssd at extra cost.

At tremendously steep premiums – RAID1 (or equivalent) is a must, after all. Some combinations are confusingly not possible (adding two NVMe SSDs – gotta select “Datacenter Edition” SSDs).

Might as well get a bigger server for the higher price.

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Post by skrebbel »

derfabianpeter wrote: post #303
throwaway77384 wrote: post #110

Does anyone know of a managed postgres service that happens to use Hetzner? I'm running my own PG instances on Hetzner, but getting tired of managing it myself. Going with a 3rd party makes me worried about latency (currently it's like 1-4ms...I'd rather not increase that to 50ms for a service located somewhere else). Haven't found anything by Googling, so was wondering if anyone here works somewhere that does this.

I happen to run a company that specializes in this: https://www.ayedo.de

Does your company only cater to people who speak German?

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Post by Nextgrid »

xslvrxslwt wrote: post #312
abujazar wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not my experience at all. Hetzner obviously does offer DDoS protection and responds quickly to that kind of issues. I've also had Hetzner techs proactively contact me regarding attacks on our infrastructure (none of which actually took any of our servers down, by the way). For specialized needs, you can even have your own hardware installed next by your servers in the same rack for a relatively small premium.

sir, I'm the former staff member of the infamous webstresser.org, I think I should know what we received millions of dollars for, I understand that you never received attacks of such 'large' scale but it takes $5 to take a hetzner server down (assuming you don't know how to do it yourself)

If you don't mind answering, what was the nature of your attacks? Was it bandwidth exhaustion or layer-7 CPU exhaustion?

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Post by riku_iki »

fuzzy2 wrote: post #313
riku_iki wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they allow to add ssd at extra cost.

At tremendously steep premiums – RAID1 (or equivalent) is a must, after all. Some combinations are confusingly not possible (adding two NVMe SSDs – gotta select “Datacenter Edition” SSDs). Might as well get a bigger server for the higher price.

> At tremendously steep premiums

I think it is about $10/TB, looks reasonable.

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Post by vigeek »

torgoguys wrote: post #298
vigeek wrote: post #123

Another good low cost provider to consider is WholeSaleInternet.net. Their datacenter is located in Kansas City. I've been colocating and renting dedicated servers through them for since 2005. Servers start at $9 per-month. A comparable example: Dual Xeons - 36 cores / 72 threads - 128GB memory - dual 1TB nvme - 5 IP's $80 per-month $0 setup. Setup with dual 2Tb nvme is $100 per-month. I'm colocating a couple of serv…

I checked with them and they said they only do full rack colo and perhaps you are going through a reseller. Is that the case and if so can you provide details? I'm interested.

I'm currently doing individual COLO (I don't have a rack atm). But I haven't added any space in three years. I've replaced some older equipment, but that's about it. I've been talking with another customer about splitting a rack ($200 each) as I'm spending spending $270 for 6 COLO servers ($240 for the space and $5x6 for additional IP space per-server).

joesdatacenter.com (Kansas City) has single server COLO for $50 a month.

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Post by vigeek »

riku_iki wrote: post #289
vigeek wrote: post #123

Another good low cost provider to consider is WholeSaleInternet.net. Their datacenter is located in Kansas City. I've been colocating and renting dedicated servers through them for since 2005. Servers start at $9 per-month. A comparable example: Dual Xeons - 36 cores / 72 threads - 128GB memory - dual 1TB nvme - 5 IP's $80 per-month $0 setup. Setup with dual 2Tb nvme is $100 per-month. I'm colocating a couple of serv…

> Dual Xeons - 36 cores / 72 threads - 128GB memory just clicked, unfortunately it is out of stock.. > I'm colocating a couple of servers there for $40 per-month each are you living nearby? Or you sent them server and they installed it?

I live in NJ, so I usually preconfigured my equipment and ship it. I've also sent them bare servers and had them connect a KVM for me to do the setup remotely. They have common replacement parts on hand, I've bought some memory sticks from them and had them swap.

You can check back, they update the list at server availability changes. Other providers there are Dedispec and Joesdatacenter, may have something in stock you're looking for.

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Post by abujazar »

xslvrxslwt wrote: post #312
abujazar wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not my experience at all. Hetzner obviously does offer DDoS protection and responds quickly to that kind of issues. I've also had Hetzner techs proactively contact me regarding attacks on our infrastructure (none of which actually took any of our servers down, by the way). For specialized needs, you can even have your own hardware installed next by your servers in the same rack for a relatively small premium.

sir, I'm the former staff member of the infamous webstresser.org, I think I should know what we received millions of dollars for, I understand that you never received attacks of such 'large' scale but it takes $5 to take a hetzner server down (assuming you don't know how to do it yourself)

Details would be enlightening : ) Was it the servers or the applications running on the servers that were taken down? Running bare metal servers exposed to the public is a fairly obvious footgun, there should be at least one layer of load balancing in front in addition to the provider’s firewalls. I’d argue MOST publicly exposed servers run by amateurs can be taken down for less than $5. Regardless of them being bare metal at Hetzner or some EC2 instance.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by sofixa »

theK wrote: post #30
esperent wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish I could get dedicated hardware for somewhere close to that price here in Asia. It seems like Hetzner is the only company in the world offering these kind of prices, right? What's the catch?

I think what Hetzner have done is just specialise in doing one thing really really well and that is their product, they run servers. They don’t offer any of the „cloudy“ vendor lock in things like functions, DBaaS, blah blah but if you want to run a server (VM or BM) they have quite a solid offering. I really like them and use their products in lots of my projects.

> They don’t offer any of the „cloudy“ vendor lock in things like functions, DBaaS

Neither of those are lock-in. Postgres is pretty much the same if you self-manage it, or if you let Scaleway or AWS or OVH manage it for you. Functions can be if in a special format (Lambda), but pretty much everyone has standardised on Containers as a Service (KNative/OpenFaaS).

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