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How did Dennis Ritchie produce his PhD thesis? A typographical mystery (2022) [pdf]

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Re: How did Dennis Ritchie produce his PhD thesis? A typographical mystery (2022) [pdf]

#91

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>Sometimes it only requires a personal relation to make something seemingly impossible happen. That's a very empowering anecdote & story, thank you for sharing it :)

Empowering for some, maybe. The anecdote reinforces the now dominant view that networking is everything and people deserve benefits and opportunities that at a different time might be labeled nepotism or favoritism. Honestly the best opportunities I’ve had in life (in different decades, too) were all linked to favoritism by this one friend. The message this sends is that I should have more well-connected successful f…

Yes, it’s empowering.

You seem to be under the impression that it is somehow unfair that people don’t have to do everything themselves, and can leverage their social networks to achieve more than they could on their own.

I suppose it is unfair to those who, by disability or temperament, don’t build social networks. But so what? Those people are no worse off than they would be in a world where everyone is a shut-in.

And don’t bring socioeconomics into it; social access to a specific typesetting machine might be less likely at lower income, but access to e.g. machine shops is more likely, and arguably more valuable.

Yes, it is empowering that people can achieve more by working as a team with their friends and family than they could on their own. Like any good thing, there are downsides, and we should be wary of nepotism in zero sum things like hiring, but gp’s typesetter was going to sit idle had they not used it. This is an empowering story.

Re: How did Dennis Ritchie produce his PhD thesis? A typographical mystery (2022) [pdf]

#92

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>Sometimes it only requires a personal relation to make something seemingly impossible happen. That's a very empowering anecdote & story, thank you for sharing it :)

Empowering for some, maybe. The anecdote reinforces the now dominant view that networking is everything and people deserve benefits and opportunities that at a different time might be labeled nepotism or favoritism. Honestly the best opportunities I’ve had in life (in different decades, too) were all linked to favoritism by this one friend. The message this sends is that I should have more well-connected successful f…

Perhaps the message is that you can be that friend for somebody else. After all, being an apprentice typesetter is not exactly being "well-connected and successful".

Re: How did Dennis Ritchie produce his PhD thesis? A typographical mystery (2022) [pdf]

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Nothing about his thesis suggests that it was done using anything except a typewriter and some engineering (drafting)stencils in common use at the time. Typewriters are capable of arbitrary character alignment (and even rotation with clever abuse of the paper) and engineering stencils were in common usage for all common symbolic figures. I have produced documents with similar and more complex features using those too…

Not for nothing, but your dismissal here is tantamount to refuting the core thrust of this paper: > What is important is the actual work product, which from a typographic perspective is vastly superior to most other math dissertations of the period. They spend much of the paper attempting to figure out how this would have been typeset. I don’t think the product is quite as trivial as your comment paints it to be, at…

OP didn’t say “trivial”. They said “unremarkable for someone adept with those tools” and “most people didn’t bother”.

Re: How did Dennis Ritchie produce his PhD thesis? A typographical mystery (2022) [pdf]

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Looking through all of this, my own theory is "grotty hack". An extremely capable programmer, with access to all kinds of toys. Doesn't want to write or improve a world-beating document formatter, just get the document printed.

You can justify paragraphs easily enough with a simple program. As for the sub/superscripts, why not just annotate something like blah[up]blahblah[up]blah[down][down] etc. and then do a hacky preformatter that sorts all of this into microspaced lines. Print the stuff at each height in one pass, go down a microstep, print the next and so on. He did have a Selectric-type machine available driven by a computer in his basement after all.

What do you do with a grotty one-off hack once it's done its job? Bury it. Don't mention it in a workplace full of geniuses who would write something like "troff" just to make a point. Especially because they did do that only a few years later. Doesn't solve the mystery of why he didn't bother to go through with the PhD of course.

Re: How did Dennis Ritchie produce his PhD thesis? A typographical mystery (2022) [pdf]

#95

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>Sometimes it only requires a personal relation to make something seemingly impossible happen. That's a very empowering anecdote & story, thank you for sharing it :)

Empowering for some, maybe. The anecdote reinforces the now dominant view that networking is everything and people deserve benefits and opportunities that at a different time might be labeled nepotism or favoritism. Honestly the best opportunities I’ve had in life (in different decades, too) were all linked to favoritism by this one friend. The message this sends is that I should have more well-connected successful f…

Looks, money, contacts, intelligence, knowledge. These are all things that help bring about more/better opportunities for a person. They are all things that some people have more of innately and can be improved with effort. Is life fair that some people start out with more of some of them? No, but life isn't fair. But is the fact that you can focus on improving the above things for yourself and it will help you succeed in life empowering? I would certainly say yes.

Re: How did Dennis Ritchie produce his PhD thesis? A typographical mystery (2022) [pdf]

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In the mid-1980s, I inherited my mother's Smith-Corona and she sternly informed me that I'd better learn how to type before entering high school, because I was gonna have a lot of papers to write. That was the best advice that Mom ever gave me. Not only did I top 30wpm by the end of that summer class, I'd met our band director who was the typing teacher, and he'd put me on alto saxophone. I stuck with band for 4 year…

Same here - my mom insisted I take a touch typing course. Excellent advice!!

Yes! In the summer of 1973, between my 3rd and 4th years of med school (UCLA), I took a basic touch typing class at Sawyer Business College. I was the only male among about 25 people. I got up to about 30wpm which has stood me in good stead in the decades since. One of the best things I ever did in terms of yield on investment.

Re: How did Dennis Ritchie produce his PhD thesis? A typographical mystery (2022) [pdf]

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Sometimes it only requires a personal relation to make something seemingly impossible happen. That's a very empowering anecdote & story, thank you for sharing it :)

Empowering for some, maybe. The anecdote reinforces the now dominant view that networking is everything and people deserve benefits and opportunities that at a different time might be labeled nepotism or favoritism. Honestly the best opportunities I’ve had in life (in different decades, too) were all linked to favoritism by this one friend. The message this sends is that I should have more well-connected successful f…

> The anecdote reinforces the now dominant view that networking is everything and people deserve benefits and opportunities that at a different time might be labeled nepotism or favoritism.

Nothing was mentioned about "deserving". Just reality. I don't understand why you'd see the need to impute - and then immediately criticise - some sort of judgement into a bare statement of fact.

Re: How did Dennis Ritchie produce his PhD thesis? A typographical mystery (2022) [pdf]

#98

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Not for nothing, but your dismissal here is tantamount to refuting the core thrust of this paper: > What is important is the actual work product, which from a typographic perspective is vastly superior to most other math dissertations of the period. They spend much of the paper attempting to figure out how this would have been typeset. I don’t think the product is quite as trivial as your comment paints it to be, at…

OP didn’t say “trivial”. They said “unremarkable for someone adept with those tools” and “most people didn’t bother”.

We are lucky I did not claim they said “trivial,” then, hey? But sure. That’s still exactly opposite the paper’s claim. They couldn’t find another paper exhibiting those qualities, which they should have were it unremarkable.

Re: How did Dennis Ritchie produce his PhD thesis? A typographical mystery (2022) [pdf]

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post #91

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Empowering for some, maybe. The anecdote reinforces the now dominant view that networking is everything and people deserve benefits and opportunities that at a different time might be labeled nepotism or favoritism. Honestly the best opportunities I’ve had in life (in different decades, too) were all linked to favoritism by this one friend. The message this sends is that I should have more well-connected successful f…

Yes, it’s empowering. You seem to be under the impression that it is somehow unfair that people don’t have to do everything themselves, and can leverage their social networks to achieve more than they could on their own. I suppose it is unfair to those who, by disability or temperament, don’t build social networks. But so what? Those people are no worse off than they would be in a world where everyone is a shut-in. A…

> And don’t bring socioeconomics into it;

In 2003, right before a few new nations entered the European Union, the EU had set up several websites, where people from the new, soon to be, member nations could inform themselfes about each of the current EU member states.

The document describing Germany mentioned, under the chapter "Employment", that 80% of all jobs in Germany get distributed via social connections. Now I am still in shock and it may be, that this includes the employment office, but the chances to get a good job, as either an immigrant or a socially marginalized person, is low.

So, bringing socioeconomics into play is totally acceptable.

I do not think one should reject any social privileges one has, but one also should respect, that this is not the case for everybody and do something about it.

Re: How did Dennis Ritchie produce his PhD thesis? A typographical mystery (2022) [pdf]

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Same here - my mom insisted I take a touch typing course. Excellent advice!!

Yes! In the summer of 1973, between my 3rd and 4th years of med school (UCLA), I took a basic touch typing class at Sawyer Business College. I was the only male among about 25 people. I got up to about 30wpm which has stood me in good stead in the decades since. One of the best things I ever did in terms of yield on investment.

Same here! But I got up to 70 :0
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