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Re: Shoshikantetsu

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> Having a high say-do ratio has always been important to me You probably mean a "high do-say ratio"? That is, to complete as many things as you set out to do. Great story though, it reminds me a bit of how the German language has individual words to describe specific intents and feelings. Of course the German equivalents are far more verbose!

It's "gesagt-getan" in German so it's a combination of two words in the order mentioned in TFA

Re: Shoshikantetsu

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This is my first time encounter with this particular 4-character idiom. As a Chinese person, I'm amazed by my ability to comprehend both the writing and the underlying meaning effortlessly. In China, a similar sentiment is more commonly expressed as 坚持初心 (jiān chí chū xīn).

Interestingly, this phrase has gained significance (a buzz world in politics) since Xi came to power a decade ago, that party members should remain steadfast in upholding the original mission of the Communist Party...

Re: Shoshikantetsu

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post #9
post #8

> Having a high say-do ratio has always been important to me You probably mean a "high do-say ratio"? That is, to complete as many things as you set out to do. Great story though, it reminds me a bit of how the German language has individual words to describe specific intents and feelings. Of course the German equivalents are far more verbose!

I think the original context could be correct: if they say they will do something, they do it.

I know I’m being pedantic, but that would be a low ratio.

But I understand the point being made and my pedantry just a peculiarity of English meaning having a strong word order dependence than many other languages.

Re: Shoshikantetsu

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post #8

> Having a high say-do ratio has always been important to me You probably mean a "high do-say ratio"? That is, to complete as many things as you set out to do. Great story though, it reminds me a bit of how the German language has individual words to describe specific intents and feelings. Of course the German equivalents are far more verbose!

Doesn't every language have words for feelings?

I mean, sure there's variations (e.g. not all languages have "saudade" or "schadenfreude") but it seems a pretty basic group of words.

Re: Shoshikantetsu

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post #10

I like it a lot. Do these characters make sense as a Chinese phrase as well? Chū zhì guàn chè ?

Yes, it makes sense, but I have not seen this idiom used in China. In China, a widely used idiom of similar meaning is 坚持初心 (jiān chí chū xīn)

Re: Shoshikantetsu

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Many (but not all) Japanese four-character idioms ( yojijukugo ) are actually Chinese imports, and they're IMHO far more prevalent in that language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengyu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yojijukugo

It makes for a fun bridging the gap cultural experience when talking to Chinese people about the Chinese idioms you learn in Japanese class. Even the pronunciation is so similar (I mean, of course it is, duh).

My favorite one is 吴越同舟 or 呉越同舟 (Wú Yuè tóng zhōu) meaning people of different backgrounds finding themselves having to work together.

https://www.zdic.net/hans/%E5%90%B4%E8%B6%8A%E5%90%8C%E8%88%...

https://jisho.org/word/%E5%91%89%E8%B6%8A%E5%90%8C%E8%88%9F

If only the two countries were as close diplomatically as they are in their shared culture.

Re: Shoshikantetsu

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post #14

This makes me wonder, does Japanese have an equivalent to the Chinese concept of a chengyu?

So many are taken over verbatim from Chinese. There are some very comprehensive Yojijukugo (literally just meaning former character compound word) collections on the net like

https://yoji-jukugo.com/

Sometimes you will have to map between simplified Chinese characters and modern Japanese characters. Easy enough though, since they still look very similar.

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