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Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by TremendousJudge »

thow_away_34564 wrote: post #117
threads2 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm trying to learn emacs too - last night I kept ChatGPT open and asked it any questions I had ("what's the hotkey to open up a new window below the current one") and I'm getting better really quickly.

You all should check out the community Atom fork or Pulsar Editor (from some of the OG Atom dev team) https://pulsar-edit.dev/ https://github.com/atom-community/atom/

Yes, I just said I'm using Pulsar. I don't think it has a future though, since the community seems to be gone (so all the extensions are unmaintained). Hopefully I'm wrong. For now I'll just keep using it until I run into something too broken to work around.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by thraizz »

The Changelog #531 has a great interview with Nathan Sobo. Until ui-based debugging, I will have to stick with other IDEs though, sadly.

EDIT: At the end of said episode, Nathan talks about debuggers and mentions that users depending on that might have to wait a bit. So there’s that!

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by GuB-42 »

They say performance on par to slightly better than Sublime Text, that's interesting, I like it when developers care about performance. Unfortunately, it is MacOS only, so I couldn't try.

Performance turned me off from VSCode and brought me back to Sublime Text. VSCode is not that bad, and I use it occasionally, but the advantages it has over Sublime Text is not worth the performance penalty for me.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by version_five »

throwawaysalome wrote: post #112
jgalt212 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair enough, but why not push back on the lawyers before pushing the publish button, and spare yourself from a possibly inauspicious start?

Because most reasonable people don't cavil about self-evident boilerplate.

This sounds like a jab at people that are raising this as a concern. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong.

What I've seen is that lawyers or anyone drafting agreements generally likes to overstate their position, or put another way take as much as they can get away with. It's rarely done with explicit malicious intent, more with negotiation in mind. Ask for more than you want and then go back and forth to arrive at something that works.

It's just sort of an added bonus if people agree with the terms.

So anyway, it's incumbent on those negotiating and agreeing to contracts to read what they're signing up for and discuss to arrive at an actual agreement that serves everybody. What happened in the discussion above is actually a great example of that happening, even if it was inadvertent.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by nickstinemates »

rcme wrote: post #12
nickstinemates wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developing on a mac is terrible; will take a look when other platforms are supported.

What makes it terrible?

I have no issues with people who like it; it's not for me for a multitude of reasons.

From system management and integration, lack of apps, being a walled garden etc. People call out the heroics of homebrew, but this problem exists on Windows - you can use chocolatey and whatnot in the same way.

I have different gripes with Windows which are also mentioned here. Whereas with Apple products I feel like my freedom is suppressed, with Windows I feel Big-Brother like oppression.

M1 Air is a great laptop. I love it for the battery life and weight. I only use it when traveling, specifically en-route when a traditional keyboard/mouse isn't viable.

All of my development is still done on Linux even when using a local editor via VS Code Remote SSH support.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by ezekg »

AndroidKitKat wrote: post #32
ezekg wrote: post #2

This actually looks really, really good. Looks like I need to update macOS from 10.15.5 sometime soon. I use a Hackintosh, so this'll be fun (I've been putting it off because I finally got it to "work" and got scared/wanted to be productive again). Any idea on their plans to monetize? I assume they will eventually charge, since they raised a 10M series A.

Re: Your Hackintosh The good news is that if you used OpenCore + vanilla macOS install (basically if you followed the excellent OpenCore Install Guide [1]) and don't have any weird hardware (Intel CPU + iGPU / AMD GPU) you can pretty much just perform updates as normal through Software Update. It is certainly important that you make a backup of your EFI (might as well make a backup of the entire drive you can restore…

> One time-consuming thing I did when I ran a Hackintosh was to have a separate drive that I used as a macOS update test bed for major versions, and then if all went well I would perform the real update on my main drive.

This is a great idea. I'll probably give this a try. Last time I tried to update macOS (AMD GPU OpenCore build), I had to restore from backup. Haven't tried again since.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by icandrive »

What a beautiful design. And it feels faster than Sublime 4. Using Treesitter + LSP out of the box like Helix makes Zed productive with zero config.

Multi-buffers seems genuinely useful for project wide search panel as well as for cases where multi-line strings are used to define external file contents but miss out on syntax highlighting.

Looking forward to trying the live collab features.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by dheera »

nicoburns wrote: post #71
dheera wrote: post #15

I'm really looking for a lighter-weight GUI editor. Too many random shortcut keys to memorize in Atom, and VS code is getting wayyyy to bloated. It always has an annoying welcome message at startup, annoying notifications about things I could install, and way too much text in the UI. I don't like settings and other dialogs being tabs alongside code, even though I know it hip to do that nowadays. I search for 'ssh plu…

Sublime Text is by the most mature product in this category.

Yeah, but it's not free, and creating a ticket for purchasing a license for my work machine is a PITA. I'm sure the actual cost isn't an issue, and it would likely get approved, but the friction is there, the purchasing/reimbursement UI at my corp isn't nice.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by PoignardAzur »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #74
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I felt burned by the loss of Atom. Why is this project going to be different?

I'm so angry about Atom, I haven't been able to move on. I'm using Pulsar out of spite. I'd like to move to emacs (for all its faults, it will never do what Atom did) but I can't be arsed to learn to configure it so it works exactly the way I want it to. I don't have the energy to learn an entirely new tool, I don't know what to do.

I used to be a big Atom fan, made a PR for them, my whole end-of-school project was an Atom plugin... but then one day I bit the bullet and tried VsCode and, then I never looked back.

Everything that Atom did, VsCode does better. The theming is different, the extensions are slightly different, but otherwise it's just incredibly good. I get why they shuttered Atom after a while.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by babelfish »

kybernetyk wrote: post #109
babelfish wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds unconscionable, wonder if it would hold up in court (my guess is not).

But do you have the funds/time to find out?

I do, but I wouldn't use this editor based on the ToC alone.
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