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Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by zimpenfish »

bluedino wrote: post #195
outime wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I like Hetzner a lot and can share your recommendations, I just don't see how it compares to full-blown cloud providers like AWS, GCP or Azure. It's a common misconception to put them at the same level when the offering is completely different. Nobody seriously uses AWS/GCP/Azure to have a couple VMs or dedicated servers alone. If someone can run their full workload in e.g. Hetzner without much hassle then they…

> Nobody seriously uses AWS/GCP/Azure to have a couple VMs or dedicated servers alone. I think you're seriously underestimating the amount of cloud customers that do a simple lift and shift.

I've worked for at least 3 companies using cloud services that could have hosted what they were doing on a handful of boxes for a fraction of the cost.

(The most egregious was a system peaking at maybe 5 hits a second during the month-end busy period living in multiple pods on a GCP Kubernetes cluster.)

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by manishsharan »

Why should we bother with Dedicated servers for mission critical workloads ? The advantage of VMs is that I could delete a VM at the earliest sign of trouble and spin up a new one without even making any attempt to contact support. When a dedicated server fails , we en up playing a game of Tag with technical support.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by Scaless »

Scaless wrote: post #171
danwee wrote: post #22

Noob question: if I rent one of these dedicated servers, what happens if some hardware fails? Do I need to contact support or will they detect that automatically? If something needs to be fixed manually (e.g., hard drive, cpu, network), how long does one need to wait for dedicated servers? I'm used to cloud VMs where if one dies, I can quickly spin up another one effortlessly (I never have to contact support or anyth…

In my experience support will gaslight you into thinking it is your problem. I had a Hetzner server that was shutting off at random hours several times per week. I showed them the sudden loss of power events in the logs. "It must be a problem with your OS modifications that we don't support". OK, I wiped the machine to the stock image that you provide and it's still having power loss events. "Sure, we'll run a stress…

I am not much of a conspiracy theorist, but after going to the Hetzner site to look at my support history I was presented with this:

https://i.imgur.com/3DKc9OC.png

I have never seen this page before when trying to login. Make of that what you will.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by windexh8er »

zimpenfish wrote: post #201
bluedino wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody seriously uses AWS/GCP/Azure to have a couple VMs or dedicated servers alone. I think you're seriously underestimating the amount of cloud customers that do a simple lift and shift.

I've worked for at least 3 companies using cloud services that could have hosted what they were doing on a handful of boxes for a fraction of the cost. (The most egregious was a system peaking at maybe 5 hits a second during the month-end busy period living in multiple pods on a GCP Kubernetes cluster.)

Hosted Kubernetes offerings has to be one of the highest margin products of the big 3. So many clusters spun up doing little to nothing. And the cost... In the org I'm in people spin 1 and 2 worker node clusters all the time. And I appreciate the control plane / worker node model, but it's overkill in so many situations.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by tinus_hn »

unxdfa wrote: post #161
tinus_hn wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As you might understand that is exactly what everybody, both the guilty and the innocent, says.

In a court of law I am innocent until proven guilty. In technology circles I am guilty until proven innocent. That's the difference, the outcome of which is the technology provider can quite frankly fuck off.

It’s the ‘the customer is always right’ philosophy, clearly by someone who has never worked retail or services.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by aent »

Wish I could actually register, as mentioned in another thread they have both faulty and yet extremely aggressive registration check where they make you send them your ID with a bunch of other things and yet will still reject you based on who knows what.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by fuzzy2 »

Too bad the entry-level offers still have such small SSDs. My EX41 from 2017(!) has SSDs that size. It’s high time to up the minimum size.

I don’t need 64 GiB of RAM or a gazillion CPU cores or whatever, I just need reasonably-sized (1 TB+) storage. Not HDDs, but SSDs.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by ofrzeta »

abujazar wrote: post #131

I've been using Hetzner servers for ~15 years with multiple clients and employers, and always been disappointed with other providers compared to what Hetzner delivers. OVH with their frequent network level outages, the 2021 fire and so on. DigitalOcean with their way too frequent and long lasting maintenance windows. And AWS/GCP/Azure with their obscene pricing, ridiculous SLA and occasional hour-lasting outages. One…

We use Hetzner but I also had good experience with Scaleway (another French cloud provider).

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by aent »

unxdfa wrote: post #42

Yeah when I land on your web site and I get: Request on Hold - Suspicous Activity Detected. I'm turned off instantly. I'm on a static IP on a respectable ISP in the UK and I'm not waiting in a queue for 57 seconds and counting to look at the sales pitch. Edit: so I use that time wisely to shitpost about it on HN, then check TrustPilot and I see: "Unfortunately, based on your description (I need a ticket number or oth…

I tried to register with them once and also hit one of those automated trip wires, so they made me send them my ID with a bunch of other stuff and then _refused to create an account for me_. The internet is full of stories like mine, so yeah, their abuse detection is total crap.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by how_gauche »

cocoflunchy wrote: post #8

I'm considering using Hetzner (or equivalent) for our CI setup with Github Actions custom runners. Right now we're on CircleCI and it costs an arm and a leg. Does anyone have experience to share with that kind of setup? What's the maintenance like?

This was one of my Q4 projects at work last year. We moved CI to 3x hetzner machines, each running four copies of the self-hosted github runner, and drove our build/test times from >20min down to 3-4 min on average. It's ridiculous how big a difference running on a capable bare metal box makes. We run a thousand or so builds daily and pay about 300 euro a month for the setup; our overage fees from github actions were often higher than that. Reliability has been "ok": one of the machines started throwing errors that smell like bad RAM/CPU (bus errors, random reboots, etc), we raised a support ticket, they nuked it and gave us a fresh one.

We provision them with ~200 lines of shell script, which we get away with because they are not running a "prod" workload. Don't forget to run "docker system prune" on a timer! Overall these machines have been mostly unobtrusive and reliable, and the engineers greatly appreciate the order of magnitude reduction in github actions time. I've also noticed that they are writing more automation tooling now since budget anxiety is no longer a factor and the infrastructure is so much faster.

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