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Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by vidyesh »

halotrope wrote: post #94

Recently moved some workloads from GCP to a dedicated Hetzner box with 12900k, 128GB ram and 2TB NVME raid. This thing SCREAMS, running e.g Postgres with the same capacity in GCP would probbably cost > $1k/mo. Hetzner takes around 120 EUR. Also the bandwidht is like 10x cheaper with much larger free tier.

I think most times the horror stories and complexities of DevOps from the past (which likely paved the path for convenient cloud providers) is what keeps people away from running their own servers.

That being said, I run much smaller projects and servers and have not worked at a scale that really requires heavy workloads that generates thousands of monthly bills at GCP.

So I think most devs being conditioned to start their first projects on the free-tiers of most cloud providers makes it really difficult for them to move to their own servers when they need it.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by rawoke083600 »

Best thing about Hetzer is their cloud UX. Compared to the complicated and nonsense and inconsistent alternative out there ! And they actually give prices per month by default. Some cloud vendor seems to hide or make it hard to find the cost per month option !

Oh and their service is great :)

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by Nextgrid »

xslvrxslwt wrote: post #167
abujazar wrote: post #131

I've been using Hetzner servers for ~15 years with multiple clients and employers, and always been disappointed with other providers compared to what Hetzner delivers. OVH with their frequent network level outages, the 2021 fire and so on. DigitalOcean with their way too frequent and long lasting maintenance windows. And AWS/GCP/Azure with their obscene pricing, ridiculous SLA and occasional hour-lasting outages. One…

Hetzner is not on the level of the any you mentioned. It's dirt cheap because latencies and protections against exploits are non-existent, sure it serves good when you don't have such needs but the moment you need any (i.e. DDoS protection and low/stable ms for game servers) - hetzner is out of the window. - Someone that used to fry lil hetzner servers for fun

Presumably you can front it with CloudFlare if you need DDoS protection?

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by wkat4242 »

bombcar wrote: post #186
outime wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I like Hetzner a lot and can share your recommendations, I just don't see how it compares to full-blown cloud providers like AWS, GCP or Azure. It's a common misconception to put them at the same level when the offering is completely different. Nobody seriously uses AWS/GCP/Azure to have a couple VMs or dedicated servers alone. If someone can run their full workload in e.g. Hetzner without much hassle then they…

I wonder what percentage of AWS are just EC2 instances that run as a simple VM. I know I’ve never used more than that.

This is how my employer, a large enterprise, uses 'cloud'. They just picked up all the server boxes and virtualized them in AWS. Obviously it costs a lot more now and there's no benefits like flexibility because the configuration is all static.

I know cloud can make sense but not like this.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by bluedino »

outime wrote: post #164
abujazar wrote: post #131

I've been using Hetzner servers for ~15 years with multiple clients and employers, and always been disappointed with other providers compared to what Hetzner delivers. OVH with their frequent network level outages, the 2021 fire and so on. DigitalOcean with their way too frequent and long lasting maintenance windows. And AWS/GCP/Azure with their obscene pricing, ridiculous SLA and occasional hour-lasting outages. One…

While I like Hetzner a lot and can share your recommendations, I just don't see how it compares to full-blown cloud providers like AWS, GCP or Azure. It's a common misconception to put them at the same level when the offering is completely different. Nobody seriously uses AWS/GCP/Azure to have a couple VMs or dedicated servers alone. If someone can run their full workload in e.g. Hetzner without much hassle then they…

> Nobody seriously uses AWS/GCP/Azure to have a couple VMs or dedicated servers alone.

I think you're seriously underestimating the amount of cloud customers that do a simple lift and shift.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by theK »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #74
theK wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what Hetzner have done is just specialise in doing one thing really really well and that is their product, they run servers. They don’t offer any of the „cloudy“ vendor lock in things like functions, DBaaS, blah blah but if you want to run a server (VM or BM) they have quite a solid offering. I really like them and use their products in lots of my projects.

They do some cloudy stuff, https://www.hetzner.com/cloud , but admittedly it is the basics. Not even a Digital Ocean, let alone an AWS.

Indeed they do but if you look at the product range they offer its still in the "we help you run your server" territory, not in the "this is a service that eliminates Component X of your architecture". I really like the Hetzner cloud!

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by FpUser »

outime wrote: post #164
abujazar wrote: post #131

I've been using Hetzner servers for ~15 years with multiple clients and employers, and always been disappointed with other providers compared to what Hetzner delivers. OVH with their frequent network level outages, the 2021 fire and so on. DigitalOcean with their way too frequent and long lasting maintenance windows. And AWS/GCP/Azure with their obscene pricing, ridiculous SLA and occasional hour-lasting outages. One…

While I like Hetzner a lot and can share your recommendations, I just don't see how it compares to full-blown cloud providers like AWS, GCP or Azure. It's a common misconception to put them at the same level when the offering is completely different. Nobody seriously uses AWS/GCP/Azure to have a couple VMs or dedicated servers alone. If someone can run their full workload in e.g. Hetzner without much hassle then they…

>"Nobody seriously uses AWS/GCP/Azure to have a couple VMs or dedicated servers alone"

It actually does happen. They build some software, deploy it on VM and have said software use cloudy database service that removes a headache of maintaining backups, standby, point in time recovery, secure data at rest.

I have couple of shell scripts that do all of that and use Hetzner but I can imaging some org with enough money to not care about the price for convenience of somebody else taking care of your data.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by notamy »

Nextgrid wrote: post #193
xslvrxslwt wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hetzner is not on the level of the any you mentioned. It's dirt cheap because latencies and protections against exploits are non-existent, sure it serves good when you don't have such needs but the moment you need any (i.e. DDoS protection and low/stable ms for game servers) - hetzner is out of the window. - Someone that used to fry lil hetzner servers for fun

Presumably you can front it with CloudFlare if you need DDoS protection?

Not if you're running game servers; those require plain UDP (sometimes TCP) proxying and CF only offers that on the enterprise plan afaik.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by jgalt212 »

bluedino wrote: post #195
outime wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I like Hetzner a lot and can share your recommendations, I just don't see how it compares to full-blown cloud providers like AWS, GCP or Azure. It's a common misconception to put them at the same level when the offering is completely different. Nobody seriously uses AWS/GCP/Azure to have a couple VMs or dedicated servers alone. If someone can run their full workload in e.g. Hetzner without much hassle then they…

> Nobody seriously uses AWS/GCP/Azure to have a couple VMs or dedicated servers alone. I think you're seriously underestimating the amount of cloud customers that do a simple lift and shift.

Indeed, and it's not just fools doing "lift and shift". I think a lot of shops do simple "lift and shift" to minimize vendor lock-in.
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