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Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Side note: what did happen to Travis? I was just googling them yesterday because they were everywhere. They even came with the GitHub education package. Did GitHub just eat them?

I suspect GitHub actions put a massive dent in their product usage. I seem to remember they started to cut costs and restrict free usage some years back too, and that was the beginning of the end.

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> Start publishing images to GitHub And when GitHub starts similar shenanigans, move out to where? I am old enough to know the we can't trust BigTech and their unpredictable behaviors. Eventually we need to start a Codeberg like alternative using Prototype funds to be self reliant. 1: https://codeberg.org/ 2: https://prototypefund.de/

It actually sounds reasonable to me? They have an open source program, the article says its open source definition is "too strict" because it says you must have "no pathway to commercialization". I mean why should you expect someone to host gigabytes of docker images for you, for free?

> the article says its open source definition is "too strict" because it says you must have "no pathway to commercialization"

What a load of crap. Free Software's "0th freedom" is the ability to use the program for whatever purpose you wish. The definition of Open Source is even looser than that. They are asking their "Open Source" users to make their software non-free, by restricting its use cases.

Anyway, the writing has been on the wall for a long while. If you haven't moved off Docker Hub yet, now is the time.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

ideally a coop of some variety This is the role I feel like podman, the tool developed by Red Hat, is filling.

This is more about Docker hub than Docker.

Image hosting is expensive at scale, and someone's got to pay for the compute/storage/network...

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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It is kinda strange that developers who should be aware of their own costs think that these sort of services will be free forever or even available and never end. Specially when clearly there is not much monetization going on. Unlike when services are offered with adds.

Big players can carry the costs, but what can small ones really do once money runs out?

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It was always unbelievable too me how much they hosted for free. I recklessly pushed over 100gbs of containers the last years, all free. Never made sense to me, even google doesn't do this anymore.

There are techniques to compress and dedup redundancies... I doubt it is real 100gbs on their disks...

It's still 100gb over the wire and those bandwidth costs add up, especially if it's a popular image used by tons of projects.

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ideally a coop of some variety This is the role I feel like podman, the tool developed by Red Hat, is filling.

Podman is great and is first class citizen on Fedora. It also integrates nicely with SystemD. My only gripe with it is not many developers provide podman configuration on their install pages like they do with docker compose

Tangent: Why is the misspelling "SystemD" so common, when it has always been "systemd"? I would understand "Systemd" or "SYSTEMD" or something, but why specifically this weird spelling?

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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ideally a coop of some variety This is the role I feel like podman, the tool developed by Red Hat, is filling.

Its not as easy nor as simple as docker + docker compose.

It’s literally OCI compatible, integrates with systemd and LSM, and runs rootless by default. Podman is 100000% better designed on the inside with the same interface on the outside.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

I'd like to see Docker succeed. They invented / formalized the space and deserve credit for that. They are probably doing the right thing with some of their development tooling (though maybe that should just be spun off to Microsoft) and ensuring images do not contain badware is something companies will pay for.

However, their core offering must be the leader if they want to survive. Devs must want to use "docker run" instead of "podman run" for example. Docker needs to be the obvious #1 for starting a container on a single machine.

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