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Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by fulafel »

danwee wrote: post #31
n3storm wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hardware inside server is up to you to notify Hetzner. After more than 10 years never have an issue but disk degradation after many use. Then you contact support, appoint disk change, you first deactivate disk on raid (save geometry etc), they replace disk and then you rebuild raid in new disk. That's it. With SSD you may not even need to do this anymore.

> Then you contact support, appoint disk change, you first deactivate disk on raid (save geometry etc), they replace disk and then you rebuild raid in new disk. That's it. I imagine this would take time, right? Like not 5 minutes, but maybe 3 hours top? So, if I pretend to run a saas (that shouldn't be down more than 1h/day), then renting only 1 dedicated server could be qualified as "risky"?

RAID is not a replacement for backups anyway. There are many other ways to lose data besides physical disk failures. There are also ways to lose the RAID in face of physical disk failure. It's an availability solution (a box can probably keep running without an outage without resorting to backups).

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by mat_epice »

gostsamo wrote: post #44
mat_epice wrote: post #28

Gosh, I wish there were something similar in the US. Right now I'm on the IONOS "server of the month[1]," which is $33/mo for dedicated six-core, 16GB, 1TB HDD. I run game servers, which could benefit from SSDs and more RAM, but I'm priced out. I'd take the 44€ config in a heartbeat. Is anybody aware of anything that's price competitive in the US (or within a 50ms ping)? [1] https://www.ionos.com/servers/value-dedica…

Hetzner opened at least one US location with more in the way, I think. Edit1: missed word; Edit2: people pointed below that the us locations don't have dedicated servers, cloud servers only;

Thanks. I took a look, it seems that they only have the "cloud servers" there, no dedicated. Those aren't as economical, as a 64GB server like the 44€ dedicated model starts at 153€/mo.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by unxdfa »

danwee wrote: post #22

Noob question: if I rent one of these dedicated servers, what happens if some hardware fails? Do I need to contact support or will they detect that automatically? If something needs to be fixed manually (e.g., hard drive, cpu, network), how long does one need to wait for dedicated servers? I'm used to cloud VMs where if one dies, I can quickly spin up another one effortlessly (I never have to contact support or anyth…

After spending years with Rackspace, Host Europe and renting a cage I never want dedicated servers. That's all I'm saying.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by latch »

tl;dr Mini rant (pro dedicated, anti-cloud)

Amazon has done an amazing job of convincing people that their hosting choice is between cloud (aka, AWS) or the higher-risk, knowledge intensive, self-hosting (aka, colocation). You see this play out all the time in HN comments. CTOs make expensive and expansive decisions believing these are the only two options. AWS has been so good at this, that for CEOs and some younger devops and developers, it isn't even a binary choice anymore, there's only cloud.

Do yourself, your career, and your employer a favor, and at least be aware of a few things.

First, there are various types of hosting, each with their own risk and costs, strength and weaknesses. The option that cloud vendors don't want you to know about are dedicated servers (which Hetzner is a major provider of). Like cloud vendors, dedicated server vendors are responsible for the hardware and the network. (If you go deeper than say, EC2, then I'll admit cloud vendors do take more of the responsibility (e.g. failing over your database)).

Second, there isn't nearly enough public information to tell for sure, but cloud plays a relatively minor role in world-wide server hosting. Relative to other players, AWS _is_ big (biggest? not sure). But relative to the entire industry? Low single-digit %, if that. The industry is fragmented, there are thousands of players, offering different solutions at different scales.

For general purpose computing/servers, cloud has two serious drawbacks: price and performance. When people mention that cloud has a lower TCO, they're almost always comparing it to colocation and ignoring (or aren't aware of) the other options.

Performance is tricky because it overlaps with scalability. But the raw performance of an indivisible task matters a lot. If you can do something in 1ms on option A and 100ms on option B, but B can scale better (but possibly not linearly), your default should not be option B (especially if option A is also cheaper).

The only place I've seen cloud servers be a clear win is GPUs.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by gjs278 »

danwee wrote: post #31
n3storm wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hardware inside server is up to you to notify Hetzner. After more than 10 years never have an issue but disk degradation after many use. Then you contact support, appoint disk change, you first deactivate disk on raid (save geometry etc), they replace disk and then you rebuild raid in new disk. That's it. With SSD you may not even need to do this anymore.

> Then you contact support, appoint disk change, you first deactivate disk on raid (save geometry etc), they replace disk and then you rebuild raid in new disk. That's it. I imagine this would take time, right? Like not 5 minutes, but maybe 3 hours top? So, if I pretend to run a saas (that shouldn't be down more than 1h/day), then renting only 1 dedicated server could be qualified as "risky"?

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Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by kureikain »

speedgoose wrote: post #26
heipei wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big Hetzner fan, but the EX101 does not feel like a good value compared to the AX101 that they've had for a while. Yes, the i9-13900 is faster than the 5950X, but does that justify half the RAM and half the disk? - EX101: Intel Core i9-13900 / 64 GB / 2x1.92 TB NVMe - From €84 - AX101: AMD Ryzen™ 9 5950X / 128GB / 2x3.84 TB NVMe - From €101

I rent one AX101 and it has been extremely good value. The thing is so cheap and fast. However my first one did often reboot randomly and the support wasn’t very helpful. They told me to just rent another one, which I did. The second one rebooted randomly once in about a year. I guess the first one went on auction and still happily reboots. Hetzner feels like a hard discount cloud provider. I still prefer them over A…

I got the same issue as well. They randomly rebooted and still not sure what to track.

Everything is normal such as temperature, cpu load etc. the load is very idle. The server is indeed an auction one though.

Other non auction one has been rock solid.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by fps_doug »

speedgoose wrote: post #26
heipei wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big Hetzner fan, but the EX101 does not feel like a good value compared to the AX101 that they've had for a while. Yes, the i9-13900 is faster than the 5950X, but does that justify half the RAM and half the disk? - EX101: Intel Core i9-13900 / 64 GB / 2x1.92 TB NVMe - From €84 - AX101: AMD Ryzen™ 9 5950X / 128GB / 2x3.84 TB NVMe - From €101

I rent one AX101 and it has been extremely good value. The thing is so cheap and fast. However my first one did often reboot randomly and the support wasn’t very helpful. They told me to just rent another one, which I did. The second one rebooted randomly once in about a year. I guess the first one went on auction and still happily reboots. Hetzner feels like a hard discount cloud provider. I still prefer them over A…

About 10 years ago when they introduced the EX40 (I think?) those hard-froze randomly every couple hours to days on Linux. But only for some users. They couldn't track down the issue the first few weeks, I guess that's what you get for being an early adopter. They must have gotten (un)lucky during testing and only had setups that worked.

It was first suspected to be certain brands of RAM, so I requested a RAM-swap which unfortunately didn't help. Then a BIOS update which also didn't help. Then someone figured out that nohz=off on the KCL fixed the problem and I had it running like this successfully for a few years. Long after at least one dist-upgrade I remembered that and removed the option again, and the server still ran stable.

There's no real morale to this story I guess, but at least the support is super responsive, and as the root cause wasn't clear at that point didn't hesitate to swap random stuff if you requested so. Also had a faulty HDD last Sunday in one server and requested a swap, which they did within 20 minutes of me opening the ticket.

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