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Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]
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Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
But there's not many that can't use a system of writing.
This is stupid and meaningless pedantry. Like when you ask your teacher if you can go to the bathroom and they say “I don’t know, can you?” A system of writing can be used for any language. (Have you ever wondered why English, a Germanic language, or Vietnamese, an Austroasiatic language, use a writing system based on the Latin alphabet?) Any language that doesn’t use a system of writing can use a system of writing.…
You miss the point, and your aggressive tone is not conducive to civil discussion. As you say, any language can use a system of writing, so if one doesn't, it's not because its users can't write, but because they don't want to write. Writing is literal stone-age technology, after all.
Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not sure how you can read hostility into my comment when I plainly stated I didn’t think you were commenting with ill intent. Ignorance doesn’t require intent though. ASL isn’t a “foreign” language. It’s an American language. In fact, it’s more “American” than English. People who communicate via ASL aren’t foreigners on holiday. They’re our friends and family and neighbors. You are absolutely correct in your assu…
That's fair. It's easy to read hostility where there isn't any. > ASL isn’t a “foreign” language. It’s an American language. Elsewhere in this thread you mentioned that "ASL is a complete and distinct natural language in its own right," and that's the sense I was trying to convey by calling it a "foreign" language. It's as hard to acquire as a foreign language, and carries the same benefits. And it fit the analogy. I…
Do you realize that “learn to lip read” isn’t feasible for a lot of people? That’s great that lip reading worked for the one Deaf person you know. But Deaf people, like the population at large, are all different people. It’s cruel and ridiculous to suggest all Deaf people should just learn to lip read.
I tried to explain the cruel history behind your callous remark.
I tried to give you an opportunity to empathize with how a Deaf might feel.
I tried to offer some perspective as to why the views you’ve expressed are narrow-minded.
I tried to educate you.
But you’re just here to argue. You don’t want to put in the effort so it’s the Deaf community’s fault they can’t effectively communicate with you and people like you? Spanish is easy enough to learn for your trip but ASL is too difficult to learn? You know one person who lip reads so everyone must be able to?
You’re not even willing to consider for a moment that your gut-opinion or the second-hand experience of the ONE person you know might not be universal. I don’t have anything else to say to you except that I hope you take a few minutes to read about ASL and Deaf culture and history and take a few minutes to reflect.
Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]
#124I am pretty deaf yet somehow have wound up interviewing people for a living (go figure).
I currently use googlemeet and recently switched to Otter.ai for recording/transcription. Unlike the previous transcription tools for journalists that I used in the past - Otter.ai generates the text live on the laptop screen while we are talking and even corrects itself to make sense as the speaker reveals contextual clues.
It is a huge help, and I had wished there was something for real life conversations like this is for screen conversation.
Good news for deaf people. You only have to watch newscasters speaking through a pasted-on permanent grin - as if every word is ee - to know that lip reading is garbage.
Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not an expert in either technology but I would imagine a lot of the difficulties of speech to text (bad recording conditions, variety of accents & pronunciation differences, etc) also have analogues in computer recognition of hand signs (camera alignment is bad, cut off, lighting is bad, someone's hand signs are lazily performed or slightly different than textbook ASL, etc). Speech to text was "solved" a long time ag…
My experience of speech to text has been terrible. As soon as someone has a bit of an accent, it becomes completely incoherent, even if all participants understand the accent perfectly. Even for good accents, using any kind of technical terms or proper names throws it off. And even when none of these are a problem, it still has at least a few percent error, even for English.
true. But all transcription tools are terrible transcribing technical language if someone has accented English.
Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]
#126What are the privacy/security issues with this? Does this mean every conversation a person wearing these has (or that occurs within earshot) is being collected and harvested by someone? Will the AR be used to insert ads into people's conversations or plaster images of ads all over the place? Will certain words or phrases be automatically censored? This is cool tech, that could be used to help people, but it comes wit…
> Will the AR be used to insert ads into people's conversations or plaster images of ads all over the place? I doubt it. This isn't the kind of cheap mass-market device where running ads is going to make you a big profit.
The worry is that if this takes off, eventually somebody (maybe future shareholders) is going to say "why are we leaving all this money on the table"
This product is already targeting some specific demographics. I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to fork over money for access to those eyes just as I'm sure a lot of people will want access to what's being said or looked at. It'd be very nice if we didn't have to worry about that sort of thing at all, but here we are.
Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Completely agree. There seems to be such a gap in the market for privacy-first hardware but very few companies are doing anything.
Shameless plug: https://github.com/TeamOpenSmartGlasses/OpenSourceSmartGlass... ASR is done locally on the user's phone.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing!
Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]
#128Background: researched this space for a graduate degree. There are a few issues that are unanswered by this video (which isn't intended to be a technical deep dive, but I don't see any related links in the video description): 1. How do these glasses handle multiple simultaneous speakers? Based on the display I saw, it shows the speakers' words sequentially, which starts to fall apart in real-world environments, espec…
>3. As mentioned by another commenter, this is a useful idea for people who lose their hearing later in life. That said, this is less (although certainly still) useful for people who have congenital hearing loss and primarily communicate via ASL.> Someone primarily communicates with ASL and then there's me that doesn't know ASL. I can speak to them, and they can read what I've spoken. That works pretty well. They com…
ASL is heavily inspired by English, so it's usually very easy for people to become basically conversant in it rather quickly. For signs you don't know, there's literal "finger spelling" that's part of the language, so conversational learning is greatly aided by this.
Which.. aside from that, you could do this anyways. When I first started living with a deaf person, I just wrote things down on paper, and they wrote back. The glasses have some benefits over paper, but significant drawbacks as well, and many deaf people I've met have been trained to read lips.
This isn't adding much.
Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's fair. It's easy to read hostility where there isn't any. > ASL isn’t a “foreign” language. It’s an American language. Elsewhere in this thread you mentioned that "ASL is a complete and distinct natural language in its own right," and that's the sense I was trying to convey by calling it a "foreign" language. It's as hard to acquire as a foreign language, and carries the same benefits. And it fit the analogy. I…
Do you realize that “learn to lip read” isn’t feasible for a lot of people? That’s great that lip reading worked for the one Deaf person you know. But Deaf people, like the population at large, are all different people. It’s cruel and ridiculous to suggest all Deaf people should just learn to lip read. I tried to explain the cruel history behind your callous remark. I tried to give you an opportunity to empathize wit…
> But you’re just here to argue.
Or you're just here to educate, and if someone questions you, you scold them for moral inferiority.
Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]
#130Background: researched this space for a graduate degree. There are a few issues that are unanswered by this video (which isn't intended to be a technical deep dive, but I don't see any related links in the video description): 1. How do these glasses handle multiple simultaneous speakers? Based on the display I saw, it shows the speakers' words sequentially, which starts to fall apart in real-world environments, espec…
Is multiple simultaneous speakers at the same volume/distance actually an important problem to solve? I already can't have a conversation if that's happening and my hearing is fine.