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I'm a hearing person and I've spent a summer interning in a 50/50 mixed Deaf and hearing research group. My take is that this is a huge UI improvement for AI speech to text, which a lot of Deaf people are already using to listen to conversations. It seems particularity great because it allows this technology to provide situational awareness while, for example, walking. It's important to remember, though that, for con…

Why can’t they also make glasses that translate sign language into English audio or text then?

Sign language is a complex language, so something has to learn yet another language. Perhaps made all the more complex as it's spatial and visual instead of verbal or written.

Not every deaf person uses sign language and there are many different sign languages in the world. American Sign Language(ASL) is but one of these languages.

Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]

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I feel like you're making my comment out to be a lot more hostile than it was intended. I don't see any "problem" with deaf people. I see ASL as, effectively, a foreign language; and it makes sense to me that in general, you're able to live more effectively when you can speak the same language as the people around you. When I traveled overseas to a spanish-speaking country, I learned spanish so that I could communica…

I think you're misunderstanding the parent poster: You don't have to be intentionally hostile to perpetuate harmful and ignorant falsehoods. In fact the parent poster states they don't believe you're intentionally perpetuating ignorance. But, it's reasonable for someone to firmly rebut harmful ignorance in a manner, even if that level of firmness doesn't match your self-perception of your ignorance.

Which of us is ignorantly perpetuating a falsehood? It's important to maintain civil dialog until the truth is discovered.

Edit: got annoyed.

Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]

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I'm a hearing person and I've spent a summer interning in a 50/50 mixed Deaf and hearing research group. My take is that this is a huge UI improvement for AI speech to text, which a lot of Deaf people are already using to listen to conversations. It seems particularity great because it allows this technology to provide situational awareness while, for example, walking. It's important to remember, though that, for con…

Why can’t they also make glasses that translate sign language into English audio or text then?

Not an expert in either technology but I would imagine a lot of the difficulties of speech to text (bad recording conditions, variety of accents & pronunciation differences, etc) also have analogues in computer recognition of hand signs (camera alignment is bad, cut off, lighting is bad, someone's hand signs are lazily performed or slightly different than textbook ASL, etc).

Speech to text was "solved" a long time ago but I've seen it take many years to become as usable as it has recently. And it still regularly is frustrating to use for me!

Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]

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Why would you compare an entire language to a single technique like that? There is no "the problem" with ASL any more than there is "the problem" with english or any other language. Yes communicating across the barrier can be a challenge but that's just the nature of having more than one language in use.

Only being able to see ASL is different from speaking a different language – it's still English. Not being able to hear is more like not being able to read. It's the same language you already know, but you're missing out on one of the primary ways people use it.

ASL is based on French, so the structure is completely different.

Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]

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This is the sort of thing I expected Google Glass to be able to do. But Google apparently lacks sufficient imagination, so they just unceremoniously canned it. Really hope this takes off.

Google literally announced this feature 10 months ago at I/O 2022

Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]

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Why can’t they also make glasses that translate sign language into English audio or text then?

Sign language is a complex language, so something has to learn yet another language. Perhaps made all the more complex as it's spatial and visual instead of verbal or written. Not every deaf person uses sign language and there are many different sign languages in the world. American Sign Language(ASL) is but one of these languages.

> Sign language is a complex language

Specifically, sign languages are not visual representations of existing languages (e.g. ASL and English) but completely different languages altogether.

Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]

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I have a different use case, involving wearing them in the house: listen to what my girlfriend says, use some ML to analyze whether I need to know it and if so, put it on the display. She has a different "speech mode" than I: she speaks while I'm reading or washing the dishes or whatever, and sometimes it's to herself, sometimes to Siri, and sometimes it's something she wants me to know.

There is a simple wetware solution, which is that she learns to say your name before saying something she wants you to know.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to train partners to use your name once they fall out of practice? It's like there is a negative reinforcement stimulus applied everytime they do use your name.

I noticed that my wife stopped using my name when it became more ambiguous as to who she was talking to because our kids are now older and conversations (really instructions and queries) are at the "adult content" level rather then "child content" level.

Retraining her will be challenging.

Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]

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I hope (reatively immature) solutions like this will not be used as an excuse to remove accessible infrastructure from the world (e.g. captions at the cinema, live subtitles at the theatre, text displays on public transport).

There is a huge population group that I am hoping will demand and make accessibility much more refined. Everything from the size of text to lighting levels to subtitles

Re: Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations [video]

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I think you're misunderstanding the parent poster: You don't have to be intentionally hostile to perpetuate harmful and ignorant falsehoods. In fact the parent poster states they don't believe you're intentionally perpetuating ignorance. But, it's reasonable for someone to firmly rebut harmful ignorance in a manner, even if that level of firmness doesn't match your self-perception of your ignorance.

Which of us is ignorantly perpetuating a falsehood? It's important to maintain civil dialog until the truth is discovered. Edit: got annoyed.

The poster in question said you were ignorant and linked to multiple places to give you more context.

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I understand that it might feel harsh, but to me, it looks like you're just being corrected and rebutted just like you said you'd be open to.

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