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Re: Microsoft lays off one of its responsible AI teams

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Post by hot_gril »

f0e4c2f7 wrote: post #269
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #258

End of the day the AI space will be dominated by whatever model doesn’t lecture you about “as a large language model I can’t…”. And the company that will ship that won’t have the largest “AI safety and ethics” team. ChatGPT will become as irrelevant as Dall-E2 when that happens. (Not saying this is for the best, just saying what I think will happen)

I hope you are correct. The alternative is the space being dominated by regulation.

Yep. ChatGPT told us what a politically-correct robot would say. Currently we have the ability to ask endless complex questions to pick it apart, but I'll bet they limit that soon. It's far more obvious than before what biases the American corporations want to present; I remember when people used to test the Google search results without getting much out of it.

I don't think that the most successful average-user-facing AI product is going to be the least self-regulated, though. Those restrictions don't turn away typical users wanting quick answers, just people who are asking political questions or want to mess around seeing what they can make the AI say.

Re: Microsoft lays off one of its responsible AI teams

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Post by r00fus »

onos wrote: post #232
HervalFreire wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No this isn't true. Human psychology is much more complicated then shitty people and good people. Aspects of both being a complete ass hole and being a good person exists in the psychology of everyone. Little rules and arrangements from the top can serve to bring out the best in people. In the same way cities and cultures can be shaped by laws and rules so can people within corporations.

In fact, studies find that the current variant of diversity training is making people beHave in more biased ways. So what you’re saying is true: if you want people for be less biased in their actions, avoid today’s en Vogue style of diversity training.

[cite needed]

Re: Microsoft lays off one of its responsible AI teams

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Post by MacsHeadroom »

bnralt wrote: post #320
anonylizard wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. People should understand AI safety != AI ethics. AI safety has two branches, AI ethics and AI alignment. Those two branches despise each other with intense passion. The alignment branch (responsible for developing RLHF->ChatGPT) believes AI ethics is completely trivial, and distracts attention away from existential risks. The ethics branch (responsible for all the media attention about racist AIs/bias etc) view…

> It seems increasingly that the concerns from the ethics branch have not come to pass at all. Neither have the concerns from AI alignment folk. I’d say both groups are pretty far off (and both fairly useless), but the ethics folks are at least a little closer to reality. Of course, AI alignment folks have the advantage that they can keep pushing the time frame forward and saying it’s perpetually just around the corn…

> but the ethics folks are at least a little closer to reality.

I have the exact opposite read on the situation. Everything bad which has come from AI are things the AI Alignment crowd predicted while none have been things the AI Ethics crowd predicted.

Re: Microsoft lays off one of its responsible AI teams

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Post by [deleted] »

college_physics wrote: post #210
dmix wrote: post #115

Anyone paying close attention to the output of generic "AI ethics" people (especially on Twitter) should not be surprised that companies that when push comes to shove the businesses getting actually useful AI tools that are being tested by real people for real things generating real data, are starting to question the utility of the bulk of the crowd who skirted off hypotheticals for years to build their reputations a…

> Microsoft is very aware thanks, that is comforting > the cat is out of the bag even if you don't like it thanks for bullying us around > the legitimately talented AI thinkers who exactly authorised you to project legitimacy in a space that has not seen any regulation?

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Re: Microsoft lays off one of its responsible AI teams

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #285
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not AGI. AGI would be able to write its own code, and improve it exponentially.

We're generally intelligent but we can't consciously rewire our brains.

We can, this process is called "learning".

Re: Microsoft lays off one of its responsible AI teams

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Post by [deleted] »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #9

These sorts of adjunct, off-to-the-side "ethics" teams are always corporate window dressing, and when push comes to shove they always get jettisoned when competition demands an increase in speed. I don't mean to start a flame war, but this is a reason why I think "Chief Diversity Officers" are such an ill-conceived notion. It's not that I don't think diversity in corporate environments is extremely valuable, but it's…

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Re: Microsoft lays off one of its responsible AI teams

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

college_physics wrote: post #210
dmix wrote: post #115

Anyone paying close attention to the output of generic "AI ethics" people (especially on Twitter) should not be surprised that companies that when push comes to shove the businesses getting actually useful AI tools that are being tested by real people for real things generating real data, are starting to question the utility of the bulk of the crowd who skirted off hypotheticals for years to build their reputations a…

> Microsoft is very aware thanks, that is comforting > the cat is out of the bag even if you don't like it thanks for bullying us around > the legitimately talented AI thinkers who exactly authorised you to project legitimacy in a space that has not seen any regulation?

Seriously.

Why is it that in a forum skewed libertarian techbros, there's this nigh-religious faith that corporations will not only get AI right, but get its impacts on society right? You know, with their stellar track record and all.

To me this is just another of countless demonstrations of silicon valley ego/hubris.

Re: Microsoft lays off one of its responsible AI teams

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

college_physics wrote: post #211
monero-xmr wrote: post #8

If Microsoft and Google don’t release, some startup will beat them to it. Open source means raw AI will become widespread. It’s just math anyway, and you can’t stop progress.

> you can’t stop progress what is your definition of "progress"

Progress is whatever shows up your competition and to hell with the "externalities".

For a brief glorious moment in time, we created a lot of value for shareholders.

Re: Microsoft lays off one of its responsible AI teams

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

monero-xmr wrote: post #8

If Microsoft and Google don’t release, some startup will beat them to it. Open source means raw AI will become widespread. It’s just math anyway, and you can’t stop progress.

People can't stop progress, but an uninhabitable planet can! :)
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