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Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by ckaygusu »

linuxftw wrote: post #60
the_mar wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an immigrant, because you’ve built your life here, because you managed to be a positive contributor to a society for years, because you are clearly aren’t here to abuse american benefits (that you can’t even get).

You shouldn't build your life here on a temporary visa. 4 years should be the maximum allowed stay, and the employer should be obligated to have you train your replacement the entire time. Otherwise, it's just a wage-suppressing system of indentured service.

Why not actually treat them with dignity instead, and give them a legit chance to settle?

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by the_af »

widge wrote: post #10
inertiatic wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And your country owes you why?

Because if it is attacked, you have to defend it. This obligation to your country gives you the right to stay in it.

You don't lose citizenship if you refuse to defend your country. Depending on the country, you may be jailed, fined or otherwise punished, but most countries won't take your citizenship away from you if you refuse to fight.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by piva00 »

linuxftw wrote: post #60
the_mar wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an immigrant, because you’ve built your life here, because you managed to be a positive contributor to a society for years, because you are clearly aren’t here to abuse american benefits (that you can’t even get).

You shouldn't build your life here on a temporary visa. 4 years should be the maximum allowed stay, and the employer should be obligated to have you train your replacement the entire time. Otherwise, it's just a wage-suppressing system of indentured service.

That's not how immigration works, at all, much less for high-skilled immigration. It's such a bad take that falls into the bucket of "not even wrong"...

Or perhaps you are in the xenophobic camp, which is just sad.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by the_mar »

hsn915 wrote: post #4

No country other than your country of origin owes you a right to stay. It's not inhumane or something to have visa only for work and not for indefinite residency. If the work visa was defacto a permanent residency visa, no one would give it and no one would get it.

Most countries have a path to permanent residency after 5 years of gainful employment in the said country. In the us it is a quota based on your nationality or a lottery system. Why should it matter how many other people from X country applied for a GC that year if I worked in the US for 10 years and paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes?

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by the_af »

hsn915 wrote: post #48
AdamN wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully we can change that in the future - people have been displaced over the centuries (and worse) but what you're saying is such a 20th century phenomenon that I'd like to see us move forward to better structures.

Hopefully that does not change in the future. If anyone could just go anywhere that would be a terrible dystopian future.

Why?

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by krisoft »

jmclnx wrote: post #14

All this proves how broken the US education is. I have worked with many Indian programmers over the years. I only ran into a very small amount who were not brilliant, but were average. The rest where brilliant, and a few I learned some cool tricks from. For young Americans, most were good but none approached the level of smarts most of the Indians I worked with. The US should send observers over to India and study th…

This message itself should be in the curriculum to teach people about selection bias.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by the_mar »

linuxftw wrote: post #60
the_mar wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an immigrant, because you’ve built your life here, because you managed to be a positive contributor to a society for years, because you are clearly aren’t here to abuse american benefits (that you can’t even get).

You shouldn't build your life here on a temporary visa. 4 years should be the maximum allowed stay, and the employer should be obligated to have you train your replacement the entire time. Otherwise, it's just a wage-suppressing system of indentured service.

Whoa whoa, 4 years is not remotely short term.

Why would anyone want to uproot their life and move here for the mere opportunity to live in the US for 4 years and have to uproot your life again? Are you supposed to be celibate for 4 years? The limits you are suggesting only discourages assimilation or giving a fuck about your life in the US since it’s only temporary.

Also wage-supressing? You are supposed to pay market rate to H1B workers and since they work in the US and not off-shore this isn’t the money saving scheme you think it is.

Besides all the H1B salaries for your company are published in a national database and have to be prominently displayed (aka printed and posted to some board somewhere in your office), so one could argue it does actually help wage transparency.

Lastly, as to your genius point about training your replacement. If you can only be employed by a company for a certain period, you would technically not be an FTE, but a contractor. Most companies have policies barring any contractors from training FTEs (because it creates perverse incentives and opens companies up to discrimination lawsuits).

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by the_mar »

ckaygusu wrote: post #71
linuxftw wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You shouldn't build your life here on a temporary visa. 4 years should be the maximum allowed stay, and the employer should be obligated to have you train your replacement the entire time. Otherwise, it's just a wage-suppressing system of indentured service.

Why not actually treat them with dignity instead, and give them a legit chance to settle?

Because clearly people who weren’t born here are unworthy of being treated equally. And because “they took our jerbws”

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by linuxftw »

the_mar wrote: post #77
linuxftw wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You shouldn't build your life here on a temporary visa. 4 years should be the maximum allowed stay, and the employer should be obligated to have you train your replacement the entire time. Otherwise, it's just a wage-suppressing system of indentured service.

Whoa whoa, 4 years is not remotely short term. Why would anyone want to uproot their life and move here for the mere opportunity to live in the US for 4 years and have to uproot your life again? Are you supposed to be celibate for 4 years? The limits you are suggesting only discourages assimilation or giving a fuck about your life in the US since it’s only temporary. Also wage-supressing? You are supposed to pay mark…

We're talking about H1B visas, which are non-immigrant visas which should be short-term. The only reason a company can obtain an H1B visa for an employee is to certify they can't fill the role with domestic workers. Yeah, they're never going to fill the role with domestic workers if they don't have to train domestic workers.

The wage equation is simple. More available labor means less wages. Nobody debates this.

Let's not act like people here on H1B are some kind of humanitarian cause. They're the brightest and most educated in the country (according to H1B proponents anyway).

My goal is to lift up impoverished people domestically. The best way to do this is to have more white collar jobs that lower-level workers can move into. If those roles are always filled, there's no need for scholarships or apprenticeships from companies to train the next generation of workers. They get to push the problem on the university system, and then ignore the vast majority of those graduates because they're only hiring 'senior level' positions.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by the_mar »

suddenclarity wrote: post #64
AdamN wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully we can change that in the future - people have been displaced over the centuries (and worse) but what you're saying is such a 20th century phenomenon that I'd like to see us move forward to better structures.

How is it a 20th century phenomenon? In the past we had barely no movement in comparison with today and at least here you actually had to apply for permission to move away. The whole welfare system is based on the requirement that it only applies to a selected few and adults today support the elderly so they can retire under the assumption that children will pay the adults for their retirement. If you open up the wel…

Btw people on work visas have no access to welfare, despite paying taxes that fund the welfare just the same.

Permanent residents have some access to welfare, but there isn’t a straightforward path from work visa to green card.

Who is suggesting US welfare has to support 7 billion people?

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