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Nearly every person in Iraq is an illegal streaming pirate, sources say

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Re: Nearly every person in Iraq is an illegal streaming pirate, sources say

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Post by rektide »

RHSeeger wrote: post #39
wil421 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve done my fair share of torrenting and the like. Never once I have been under the illusion that I have some kind of special right to someone else’s unique combinations of bits. If the internet wasn’t around people would still be copying VHSs and DVDs. Just because the internet makes it easier to copy doesn’t mean you get a special pass. I did it for the same reason the Iraqis do it, it’s cheaper, easier, and at ti…

> Never once I have been under the illusion that I have some kind of special right to someone else’s unique combinations of bits. Copyright law isn't about your special rights to someone else's unique combination of bits. It's about what rights they have the legal ability to deny you to those bits. There are plenty of situations where copyright law in one country differs from that of another country; and neither of t…

Conflating copyright with technical inability to use a thing (game servers shutting down) highly conflates the situation, in my view.

Traditionally, citizens & non-citizens have the ability to ignore & shirk copyright to a high degree. It's a new infernal shit show that now it's no longer just a legal protection that loosely defends corporate rights to media, but technological protection too.

It's as if France can go make photos of the Eiffel tower self destruct, and it's incredibly fallen. Often what we can do isn't regulated under copyright at all- under DRM, every useless cad company gets to make up its own new rights regime, fast worse than any copyright system, where invariably they have all rights & own everything & can change the agreement whenever & however they like in any way that suits them.

Conflating the DRM technological dominionizing with copyright- as you do again and again- ascribes & conflates a despicable monstrous abyssal major horror to a merely somewhat damned existing minor infernalism.

Re: Nearly every person in Iraq is an illegal streaming pirate, sources say

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Post by ashwagary »

wil421 wrote: post #29
janalsncm wrote: post #12

“Illegal streaming” assumes that upholding the rights of foreign copyright holding megacorps is anywhere in the top 10,000 priorities for the Iraqi government. US law is not world law. This is like China saying that US websites are engaging in “illegal criticism of China”.

I’ve done my fair share of torrenting and the like. Never once I have been under the illusion that I have some kind of special right to someone else’s unique combinations of bits. If the internet wasn’t around people would still be copying VHSs and DVDs. Just because the internet makes it easier to copy doesn’t mean you get a special pass. I did it for the same reason the Iraqis do it, it’s cheaper, easier, and at ti…

>Never once I have been under the illusion that I have some kind of special right to someone else’s unique combinations of bits.

To be fair to Iraqis, since Americans and others decided to illegaly invade and occupy their country for a decade, they are entitled to ignore US (UK, AU, SP, IT, etc) intellectual property rights in perpetuity. It seems reasonable to me as a 3rd party observer.

Re: Nearly every person in Iraq is an illegal streaming pirate, sources say

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Post by janalsncm »

wil421 wrote: post #29
janalsncm wrote: post #12

“Illegal streaming” assumes that upholding the rights of foreign copyright holding megacorps is anywhere in the top 10,000 priorities for the Iraqi government. US law is not world law. This is like China saying that US websites are engaging in “illegal criticism of China”.

I’ve done my fair share of torrenting and the like. Never once I have been under the illusion that I have some kind of special right to someone else’s unique combinations of bits. If the internet wasn’t around people would still be copying VHSs and DVDs. Just because the internet makes it easier to copy doesn’t mean you get a special pass. I did it for the same reason the Iraqis do it, it’s cheaper, easier, and at ti…

Likewise, copyright holders in one country should be under no illusion that their rights are universal. US law extends only as far as its borders and treaties.

Further, it’s a bit rich for the US to burn down the Iraqi economy and then expect them to start paying royalties to American Fortune 100 conglomerates. Frankly, if they announced they were giving away free movies to Iraq as reparations it would be an insult, but they even have the gall to shame their people for not paying.

Re: Nearly every person in Iraq is an illegal streaming pirate, sources say

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Post by ggm »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #38
ggm wrote: post #35

I miss broadcasting and only 4 channels. We kind of lost something when we decided we didn't like that model.

14-20 minutes of commercials per hour was lost.

Yes. But also less choice-overload, more consistency of product, less craziness.

I've got 6 streaming sources in my economy fighting over HBO, Disney and the others. I cannot predict a-priori where a hit show winds up, or if it even makes my country, nor if its kept or dropped. In the days of 4 majors, the volume of production was lower but the overall production quality was comparable, and the consistency of product was far, far better.

Re: Nearly every person in Iraq is an illegal streaming pirate, sources say

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Post by RHSeeger »

rektide wrote: post #51
RHSeeger wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Never once I have been under the illusion that I have some kind of special right to someone else’s unique combinations of bits. Copyright law isn't about your special rights to someone else's unique combination of bits. It's about what rights they have the legal ability to deny you to those bits. There are plenty of situations where copyright law in one country differs from that of another country; and neither of t…

Conflating copyright with technical inability to use a thing (game servers shutting down) highly conflates the situation, in my view. Traditionally, citizens & non-citizens have the ability to ignore & shirk copyright to a high degree. It's a new infernal shit show that now it's no longer just a legal protection that loosely defends corporate rights to media, but technological protection too. It's as if France can go…

> Conflating the DRM technological dominionizing with copyright- as you do again and again-

Come again?

- The first one is flat out copyright

- The second one is debatable, because it depends on the how.. but I'll give you that one

- The third one is, I thought, copyright... you're not allowed to take pictures of the Eiffel tower at night because the lighting for it is copyrighted.

- The third one is copyright (copying a piece of software that can no longer be purchased)

Re: Nearly every person in Iraq is an illegal streaming pirate, sources say

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Post by bigbillheck »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #31
georgeplusplus wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their government reflects their citizens behaviors. They should be glad the stupid westerners are paying. Content creators need to be paid to have an incentive to make new content, take that away and there is nothing for these leeches to steal.

> Content creators need to be paid to have an incentive to make new content Traditionally they do it so that women will have sex with them. It's not like there was a shortage of new content 1000 years ago.

You might be surprised to know how many artists of the past were directly supported by rich people.

Re: Nearly every person in Iraq is an illegal streaming pirate, sources say

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Post by michaelmrose »

wil421 wrote: post #29
janalsncm wrote: post #12

“Illegal streaming” assumes that upholding the rights of foreign copyright holding megacorps is anywhere in the top 10,000 priorities for the Iraqi government. US law is not world law. This is like China saying that US websites are engaging in “illegal criticism of China”.

I’ve done my fair share of torrenting and the like. Never once I have been under the illusion that I have some kind of special right to someone else’s unique combinations of bits. If the internet wasn’t around people would still be copying VHSs and DVDs. Just because the internet makes it easier to copy doesn’t mean you get a special pass. I did it for the same reason the Iraqis do it, it’s cheaper, easier, and at ti…

Your own choice of words betray your misunderstanding.

> someone else’s unique combinations of bits

If you take a piece of paper from a pack you purchased and you take a pen filled with ink you have likewise purchased and you right the entire contents of this post on a piece of paper what makes your paper, decorated with your ink, by the sweat of your brow MY combination of bits.

Nobody needs a special right the ordinary property rights we have understood to exist for thousands of years are sufficient for us to agree on whose paper it is. I would need a special right to imagine that the words you chose to inscribe transformed it into MY paper.

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