When buses stop every 200 meters, as an able-bodied person, this tips the scales just enough for me to not consider the price of the ticket to be economically viable.
Analysis of distances between London's bus stops
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#12It would be also great to see this with a map overlay. I'm not familiar with London transport network.
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's also a problem of people not wanting to be "in the way". Even if services are available on-demand, some older folks get the opinion that they don't want to explicitly request help as they'll add additional work for others, which they don't want to do. If the service is available anyways, they don't feel bad using it.
I've met some elderly people who weren't happy they received free senior passes for travel and wanted to pay like everyone else
My maternal grandparents are in their mid 90s, and they're both generally upset whenever it turns out they can't do something which was not a problem in their 80s - by that I mean e.g. cooking for ten people and organizing a family get-together.
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#14When buses stop every 200 meters, as an able-bodied person, this tips the scales just enough for me to not consider the price of the ticket to be economically viable.
I'm having trouble making sense of this. It sounds like you want to say you won't take the bus for a journey under 200 metres - which is fine. But the meaning of your sentence is something like: if you want to travel 2 km and the bus stops every 200 metres means you won't take the bus because it would cost too much? How come? And how did you arrive at that 200 metre threshold?
edit: I completely failed to appreciate the distance - after doing a bit of measuring on Google Maps 200m is actually a really reasonable cutoff point, in my city at least.
Re: Analysis of distances between London's bus stops
#15When buses stop every 200 meters, as an able-bodied person, this tips the scales just enough for me to not consider the price of the ticket to be economically viable.
I'm having trouble making sense of this. It sounds like you want to say you won't take the bus for a journey under 200 metres - which is fine. But the meaning of your sentence is something like: if you want to travel 2 km and the bus stops every 200 metres means you won't take the bus because it would cost too much? How come? And how did you arrive at that 200 metre threshold? edit: I completely failed to appreciate…
If the bus stops every 200 meters, it has a chance of stopping 10 times, which takes a lot of time. If the weather isn't prohibitively horrible, I have to wait for the bus to arrive and if there's traffic, chances are I'll be able to reach my destination on foot faster than by bus.
It's fine by me, but it seems that I'm just not the target audience for busses.
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#16Slightly tangential, but here's a viz of how sprawled out London's bus network is https://youtu.be/xAnCD_Czwxw?t=648 . Quite amazing how well the bus system works.
Even more tangential, but setting up a truly proper bus system in Cities XL is usually the task the runs me into a brick wall and leads me to stepping away from the game for a bit.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm having trouble making sense of this. It sounds like you want to say you won't take the bus for a journey under 200 metres - which is fine. But the meaning of your sentence is something like: if you want to travel 2 km and the bus stops every 200 metres means you won't take the bus because it would cost too much? How come? And how did you arrive at that 200 metre threshold? edit: I completely failed to appreciate…
If the bus stops every 200 meters, it has a chance of stopping 10 times, which takes a lot of time. If the weather isn't prohibitively horrible, I have to wait for the bus to arrive and if there's traffic, chances are I'll be able to reach my destination on foot faster than by bus. It's fine by me, but it seems that I'm just not the target audience for busses.
This is a perfectly valid comment. And a situation I experience many times.
For example, reaching from Liverpool street to Farringdon could take 30 minutes during peak times. I still have the image of nearly a dozen busses queueing up and trying to take people from the station.
I decided to talk very often instead of not taking the bus and it wasn't slower.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm having trouble making sense of this. It sounds like you want to say you won't take the bus for a journey under 200 metres - which is fine. But the meaning of your sentence is something like: if you want to travel 2 km and the bus stops every 200 metres means you won't take the bus because it would cost too much? How come? And how did you arrive at that 200 metre threshold? edit: I completely failed to appreciate…
If the bus stops every 200 meters, it has a chance of stopping 10 times, which takes a lot of time. If the weather isn't prohibitively horrible, I have to wait for the bus to arrive and if there's traffic, chances are I'll be able to reach my destination on foot faster than by bus. It's fine by me, but it seems that I'm just not the target audience for busses.
> chances are I'll be able to reach my destination on foot faster than by bus
This is only true in extreme cases - very short distances, very heavy traffic, being able to take shortcuts on foot. The majority of bus journeys would be slower on foot by a large margin.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the bus stops every 200 meters, it has a chance of stopping 10 times, which takes a lot of time. If the weather isn't prohibitively horrible, I have to wait for the bus to arrive and if there's traffic, chances are I'll be able to reach my destination on foot faster than by bus. It's fine by me, but it seems that I'm just not the target audience for busses.
This is a perfectly valid comment. And a situation I experience many times. For example, reaching from Liverpool street to Farringdon could take 30 minutes during peak times. I still have the image of nearly a dozen busses queueing up and trying to take people from the station. I decided to talk very often instead of not taking the bus and it wasn't slower.
That specific journey is much faster now that the Elizabeth Line is running.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm having trouble making sense of this. It sounds like you want to say you won't take the bus for a journey under 200 metres - which is fine. But the meaning of your sentence is something like: if you want to travel 2 km and the bus stops every 200 metres means you won't take the bus because it would cost too much? How come? And how did you arrive at that 200 metre threshold? edit: I completely failed to appreciate…
If the bus stops every 200 meters, it has a chance of stopping 10 times, which takes a lot of time. If the weather isn't prohibitively horrible, I have to wait for the bus to arrive and if there's traffic, chances are I'll be able to reach my destination on foot faster than by bus. It's fine by me, but it seems that I'm just not the target audience for busses.
I guess it would also depend on distance. If it's a 10 minute walk vs waiting up to 5 minutes for the bus then a 5 minute bus ride I get it. Also I just plotted distances between stops on my tram commute (waiting for the CI[0] :D) and 200 metres is much shorter than I realised, so actually I think I am with you. The stop distances for my commute home are:
- 100m
- 761m
- 681m
- 371m
- 506m
- 335m
And since it's a tram this is a bit different since it doesn't have to contend with vehicles (it's extremely rare to be blocked by cars or trucks) so this 2.75km ride takes ~11 minutes and that first 100m hop feels really short. I don't know where my ideal cutoff is, but that #63 route in London stopping on average every 42 metres must feel really slow.
[0] - https://xkcd.com/303