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America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by dole »

ianburrell wrote: post #4
aborsy wrote: post #3

I don’t think such war will happen. The tensions will be on technological “supremacy”, political and economic isolation, corporate sanctions, and international support, somewhat a Cold War. I also believe China is a peaking (rather than a rising) power at this stage. Its growth rate has declined from 14% to less than 5% now. China is facing an aging population (due to the one child policy of the past), international…

I hope China recognizes that challenging the West politically and economically is much better option. I think the best thing China could do would be negotiate with Taiwan for their independence. It is funny that option is never suggested as possibility.

Watching China's expansion into the South China Sea and the Spratly Islands over the last number of years make me skeptical of them giving up any amount of land.

Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by rasz »

avgcorrection wrote: post #18
swamp40 wrote: post #14

It would be a proxy war, not direct US troop involvement. But China says any response from Taiwan will be taken as a direct response from the US. So, that could go south in a hurry. I think Ukraine showed China exactly what the world response would be to such an invasion - i.e. shunning, so I doubt this would happen except as a way to goad the US into a war. And China certainly isn't ready for that yet. From the US P…

The whole world has not shunned Russia over the invasion.

Slowly but surely

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-12/india-to-...

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/...

Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by oyashirochama »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #15
swamp40 wrote: post #14

It would be a proxy war, not direct US troop involvement. But China says any response from Taiwan will be taken as a direct response from the US. So, that could go south in a hurry. I think Ukraine showed China exactly what the world response would be to such an invasion - i.e. shunning, so I doubt this would happen except as a way to goad the US into a war. And China certainly isn't ready for that yet. From the US P…

> I think we are growing concerned their AI vision systems might soon allow suicide drones that can target US politicians. Utter nonsense. This is hardly a meaningful barrier to attempting assassinations of US polticians.

Assassinating a politician in the US typically just makes you more enemies compared to the rest of the world. At least if your an external factor, if internal that's different.

Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by NicoJuicy »

avgcorrection wrote: post #8
ianburrell wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The initiators of violence are the ones blamed for starting it. Like how Russia is blamed for the invasion of Ukraine.

You must be confused. PRC has not invaded anything.

Art of war

Pushing Russia to start a war ( friends with no limits was even publicly announced), see how the west reacts, but don't interfere enough ( so you won't get involved and have more time to identify weak points + weaken the enemy support - eg. Availability of artillery supplies).

Base yourself on that.

Or do you think it's a confidence the invasion started just after the Beijng Olympics ( ~ propaganda)? In the muddy season.

Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by yalogin »

This has a very ominous inevitable tone to it. I question how wise it is to even publish an article with this tone given how grave the consequences of such a war would be. Just reading the title sent a chill for me. Any war like that will push the whole world into protracted recession and it will be hell for every country.

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Post by avgcorrection »

singularity2001 wrote: post #20
avgcorrection wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only quote that used directly violent verbs were: > A spokesperson for China’s Taiwan Affairs Office said on Wednesday that Beijing was recommitted in the new year to “safeguarding sovereignty and territorial integrity” and “smashing plots for Taiwan independence”. That quote links to another Al J article where the keywords “plot” and “smash” are not present. These nation states talk all the time about how “X wil…

Watch Chinese news to see that China has a very militaristic approach

Watch Fox News to see that Republicans have a very (shall we say) “militaristic approach” to the Great Powers enemies of the US.

The US is still not going to attack them.

Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by ergonaught »

I’ve always found it strange that military planning and training is considered newsworthy and informational.

I’d be a whole lot more upset and surprised if USA and China were not preparing for a war over Taiwan. It is one of the top 3 most likely sparks for war between them.

Which is not to say that it is “likely”.

Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by avgcorrection »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #26
avgcorrection wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must be confused. PRC has not invaded anything.

Art of war Pushing Russia to start a war ( friends with no limits was even publicly announced), see how the west reacts, but don't interfere enough ( so you won't get involved and have more time to identify weak points + weaken the enemy support - eg. Availability of artillery supplies). Base yourself on that. Or do you think it's a confidence the invasion started just after the Beijng Olympics ( ~ propaganda)? In th…

> Or do you think it's a confidence the invasion started just after the Beijng Olympics?

Not a “confidence” no, since there were rumors already a year ago that Xi asked Putin to delay the invasion based on that.

But it’s a leap from that to claiming that China indirectly master-minded the invasion of Ukraine.

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