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Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contractor pays $1.5M fine

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Re: Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contractor pays $1.5M fine

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Post by mrguyorama »

FireBeyond wrote: post #59
nostromo wrote: post #21

There are millions of undocumented workers in the US using fake identities to get jobs. Both major parties support this system. Some Republican interests enjoy the access to dirt-cheap labor. Some Democratic interests want immigrants to be able to find jobs despite it being illegal to employ them. So we end up with a system where employers have no easy way to verify that an employee is who they say they are and has a…

A few years ago in the South, coordinated ICE raids of a bunch of chicken "factories" owned by Tyson netted 800-900 arrests of undocumented employees. Many of them testified that Tyson encouraged and coached them, even provided written instructions on how to deal with various employment/taxation things as someone undocumented. Asked about this at a press conference, and whether there were "any plans to issue fines, o…

Up north where I am from, all the racist conservatives own farms, and are constantly blaming things on "those illegals", but come harvest time you know exactly who are out in the fields doing the work. They purposely don't check anything, because they don't want no migrants, they want an underclass to exploit.

Re: Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contractor pays $1.5M fine

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Post by mrguyorama »

nemothekid wrote: post #127
nightpool wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This is such an easy problem to solve" How? If someone uses a fully faked/stolen identity, with a valid SSN / passport # / etc (which every single company is required to check), how do you propose we catch them?

> how do you propose we catch them? Fine the companies that hire illegal workers. I don't know why so many in this thread have some delusion that the companies 1.) are acting in good faith or 2.) aren't intentionally using illegal immigrants for cheaper labor. Fine the companies and the problem will solve itself. Another poster in this thread mentioned a case where Tyson coached an illegal immigrant. Illegals wont un…

Because there are lots of people on HN that benefit from disgusting things like this, that's why they have to pretend they don't know the solution.

Re: Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contractor pays $1.5M fine

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Post by SauciestGNU »

Avenger42 wrote: post #8

> The amount is the maximum civil money penalty allowed by federal law. Sounds like an update to federal law is in order, at the very least tying that number to inflation (or perhaps to corporate profits?).

Or maybe each offense should be redefined as each shift worked, or per hour worked. $15k per illegal shift is a lot more than $15k total.

Re: Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contractor pays $1.5M fine

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Post by mrguyorama »

Ancapistani wrote: post #132
m-ee wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These kids are not doing this to spend money on frivolous things like Fortnite. They are almost certainly migrant children who need the money because they’ve been placed with guardians who themselves are barely getting by or are exploiting the children by making them work off a debt. There was a massive nytimes expose on the issue which is driving the uptick in enforcement. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/25/us/unacc…

Yep. > They are almost certainly migrant children who need the money because they’ve been placed with guardians who themselves are barely getting by s/migrant/poor, but otherwise I 100% agree. Kids from poor families want to be able to help with money if they can. Their contributions do help, too, and I don't think that's a bad thing in most cases. Growing up poor, realizing your parents' financial situation, working…

As someone who got hurt by it, no, we should not keep around a system that saddles 10 year olds with extreme money anxiety because their parents are poor. America is stupid rich, we can easily support those families and attempt to insulate literal children from such anxieties.

It's not an important part of our society for an underclass to suffer FFS

Re: Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contractor pays $1.5M fine

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Post by mrguyorama »

diordiderot wrote: post #90
aaomidi wrote: post #48

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The fines for doing this should not depend on company revenue or profit. It should be that every single exec in charge of that company is never allowed to have any decision making power again in any industry. After a substantial jail time. Every exec involved here should be personally liable too, and be forced to have their assets sold to cover a huge pay out to these kids. These kids should never have to work again…

Would there be any negative consequences to a law that said 'the CEO and chairman of the board of any company that violates child labour law should be imprisoned for 1 year'?

Yes, fox news would spend the next ten years making as many people as possible think you are the literal devil.

Re: Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contractor pays $1.5M fine

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Post by nostromo »

throw93 wrote: post #93
roenxi wrote: post #74

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Probably. They did just lose a big court case. But if I ask "how old are you?" in an interview and reject anyone who says "17", then all the interviewees are going to say "18". Kids are pretty dumb but they can figure this stuff out. I'd be happy to claim 10 years of Kubernetes experience if I thought it would give me an advantage in the job market, no question. The children in question are already violating local la…

The age of the kids was in their system. So the children did not lie about their age. It’s weird to defend the company that knowingly illegally employs kids in hazardous job and instead doubt the govt agency that brings this problem to light. > The children in question are already violating local labour laws; No they aren’t. Their age was in company’s system and company ignored it. Also they are “children”. You expec…

> The age of the kids was in their system.

We don't know that. The DOL hasn't said what system "flagged" the kids as potentially underage.

Re: Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contractor pays $1.5M fine

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Post by foogazi »

Ancapistani wrote: post #157
pphysch wrote: post #149

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If that is what it takes, sure. As long as the punishment is less than the reward, it's good business.

If you have enough money to pay the fine without worrying about it, the fine is just "the price".

Reminds me of this: https://freakonomics.com/2013/10/what-makes-people-do-what-t...

Re: Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contractor pays $1.5M fine

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Post by foogazi »

nostromo wrote: post #21

There are millions of undocumented workers in the US using fake identities to get jobs. Both major parties support this system. Some Republican interests enjoy the access to dirt-cheap labor. Some Democratic interests want immigrants to be able to find jobs despite it being illegal to employ them. So we end up with a system where employers have no easy way to verify that an employee is who they say they are and has a…

> So we end up with a system where employers have no easy way to verify that an employee is who they say they are and has a legal right to work any specific job.

What about e-verify ?

Re: Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contractor pays $1.5M fine

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Post by foogazi »

FireBeyond wrote: post #59
nostromo wrote: post #21

There are millions of undocumented workers in the US using fake identities to get jobs. Both major parties support this system. Some Republican interests enjoy the access to dirt-cheap labor. Some Democratic interests want immigrants to be able to find jobs despite it being illegal to employ them. So we end up with a system where employers have no easy way to verify that an employee is who they say they are and has a…

A few years ago in the South, coordinated ICE raids of a bunch of chicken "factories" owned by Tyson netted 800-900 arrests of undocumented employees. Many of them testified that Tyson encouraged and coached them, even provided written instructions on how to deal with various employment/taxation things as someone undocumented. Asked about this at a press conference, and whether there were "any plans to issue fines, o…

Big Poultry is too big to fail

Re: Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contractor pays $1.5M fine

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Post by foogazi »

ticviking wrote: post #131
giraffe_lady wrote: post #96

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If your entire problem with that cycle is the mexicans who end up working those jobs it's not ridiculous to consider that racism plays a significant role lol.

The problem is that the company is blatantly trying to undermine the labor protections and quality of life my ancestors fought hard for.

Maybe it’s your turn now
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