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Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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You will get banned on Reddit if you say trans women aren’t real women. They call it promoting hate towards a marginalized group. You may be sympathetic towards that so think twice before moving the goalpost.

The goalpost is always moving—it's called the Overton window. And whether you like it or not, the window is not moving in your direction on this issue.

But the point is it’s a valid example of a widely held belief that gets banned, even if you agree with Reddits policy.

The goalpost move I’m referring to is from “Reddit doesn’t ban widely held beliefs “ to “Well Reddit should ban this widely held belief “

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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You will get banned on Reddit if you say trans women aren’t real women. They call it promoting hate towards a marginalized group. You may be sympathetic towards that so think twice before moving the goalpost.

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That’s not denying anyone’s “right to exist.”

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Yeah. Meta is hiring, Meta is firing, Meta is about to publish their first coloring book, ML models available, discount mattresses, the boss-lost-his-mind-everything-has-to-go, Meta is taking VR to the next level, Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network. Sure, sure. Good luck, Meta!

The bastardization of the term "decentralized" in this post has energy levels over 9000 for sure. Should be flagged as click-bait.

I like how you put it.

Its like the time meta did with "Libra", like you take a concept that's flying right now in the community and you say "oh. How can we exploit this by shoving ourselves in the middle"

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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So everyone needs to explicitly block cheese pizza for themselves just so a few perverts can share that stuff in the name of "free speech"?

I suppose "cheese pizza" refers to CSAM? FWIW I think it's a sign of intellectual dishonesty to complain vaguely about censorship of "widely held beliefs" without stating what those beliefs are. All social networks have "ground rules", they're just not always the same. For any social network that somehow can be pinned to someone's physical identity, those rules will at least include the laws of that person's jurisdic…

> FWIW I think it's a sign of intellectual dishonesty to complain vaguely about censorship of "widely held beliefs" without stating what those beliefs are.

I would hazard a guess that don't think those beliefs need to be stated because most people know that widely held beliefs are censored, and because it would make the discussion about something else. The Twitterfiles are available, as are all the discussions about censorship including by those running the social networks. They don't deny censorship, they attempt to justify it.

> "Free speech" is widely mocked as a supposed principle because it's a rallying call, not a specific thing.

Free speech is not a rallying call, and it most definitely is a principle, just as "democracy" is not a rallying call.

> Even people who'll proudly tell you "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it" will have limits if you keep pushing them on it.

And like democracy, different people will define it and (if they get the chance) implement it differently. However, they're all talking about democracy (maybe with the exception of North Korea's government).

> "Free speech" just means "I want to be able to say things I'm not allowed to say"

It most definitely does not mean that which means your following questions are moot. I would suggest that you find out what those supporting freedom of speech actually think.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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young people will always want a social network that connects them to their peers before they realize the damaging effects of it. Even if warned, guaranteed they won't care at first

Connecting people with their peers is most certainly not damaging-- any more than socializing in general. Facebook started off GREAT! I singed up almost as soon as it was available to the general public (remember it was just open to university students at first). At that time my timeline was basically text only and the content came from only my friends. It was like a fun online party -- not unlike online chat systems…

> Facebook started off GREAT!

I'm glad early fb was a good experience for you, but studies have found that when fb was just opening to universities, lower grades and higher demand for mental health services would follow.

https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/social-media-mental-ill...

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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> The app is codenamed P92 and will allow users to log in through their existing Instagram credentials So if it relies on the servers of one centralized entity for authentication, how exactly is this thing "decentralized"?

The same way gmail is but with ActivityPub instead of email. You sign in with your Google account, but you can send emails to an email server run by anyone. For an example of decentralized servers + centralized authentication just look at video games. It's common to have a common identity, but be able to join a server hosted by anyone.

> decentralized servers + centralized authentication

...are not decentralized. De-centralized infrastructure doesn't have single authorities able to act as gatekeepers to basic functionality (such as authentication) of the infrastructure, period.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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VR goggles? Dude. How about the part where they tried to consign your grandchildren to a dystopian technocratic panopticon? https://hackernoon.com/on-the-infestation-of-small-souled-bu...

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It's so annoying reading --comments-- that use "Luddite" in the purely pejorative usage when this is a forum of people who stroke their egos with how much smarter they are than redditors. The concern was that the looms would be used by owners of capital to pay their workers less and hoard more wealth, and they were right.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34961501

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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* * What if it's going to be part of the Fediverse?

That's actually a significant worry. Embrace, extend, extinguish: is a standard playbook for monopolists and oligopolists everywhere in tech. 1. Make "cool corporate mastodon server" that all the cool kids play on. 2. Extend the masto code with proprietary extensions for better features, but DONT SHARE CODE 3. Convert people on other masto instances cause they don't have "cool feature". 4. Users flock to "cool masto…

XMPP is a better example. XMPP is decentralized IM, and was gaining some popularity amongst techies (e.g.: people like those reading this website) about 10-15 years ago. It's well documented, an actual standard, and plenty of extensions for extra functionality. Video calls worked okay around 2010/2011.

Google Talk federated to XMPP, and it worked well for quite some time. I had my own XMPP server but could talk to people who were using Google Talk, just like I could email people from my email server to their gmail account. It was wonderful! I had some friends on legacy networks like MSN and they shifted to Google Talk which I found great.

My enthusiasm for their migration turns out to be very naive.

Google one day said they'd de-federate Google Talk. People on GT could talk to people on GT, everyone else could screw themselves. My roster shrunk from "most people I talk to" to "two or three people I rarely every talk with".

I didn't continue XMPP much after that, though it's still a thing and continues evolving pretty well. My interest has re-sparked this year since I'm looking into using is as a gateway for other crap networks where friends insist on staying.

It's not hard to imagine Facebook (ehem, "Meta") federating with Mastodon and giving out a lot of "oh, they're actually not that bad" vibe. Many would come to use Mastodon but rely on Meta's federation. Until they decide it's time for Masto to die, just like Google decided it was time for XMPP to collapse.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Yeah. Meta is hiring, Meta is firing, Meta is about to publish their first coloring book, ML models available, discount mattresses, the boss-lost-his-mind-everything-has-to-go, Meta is taking VR to the next level, Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network. Sure, sure. Good luck, Meta!

The bastardization of the term "decentralized" in this post has energy levels over 9000 for sure. Should be flagged as click-bait.

Bastardizing terms works really well to destroy an idea. If enough crap is thrown over the wall with the label "descentralized" then eventually eventually, the word "descentralized" brings this crap to mind.

When someone comes around talking about REAL descentralization, they'll be shun off for asking more of that crap.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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The bastardization of the term "decentralized" in this post has energy levels over 9000 for sure. Should be flagged as click-bait.

Bastardizing terms works really well to destroy an idea. If enough crap is thrown over the wall with the label "descentralized" then eventually eventually, the word "descentralized" brings this crap to mind. When someone comes around talking about REAL descentralization, they'll be shun off for asking more of that crap.

Stop gaslighting me /s
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