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Google Reader shut down announced ten years ago today

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Post by naravara »

friendzis wrote: post #76
dmix wrote: post #25

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It also coincided with a persistent trend of HN itself no longer featuring random blog posts heavily but rather a) mostly popular news sites like NYTimes that finally started understanding the web demanded clickbait/Twitter-friendly high volume articles (where no one reads the article but shares the headline) and b) blogs that went viral via Twitter/FB/etc. That was the new reality a decade ago. Social media apps was…

The killer feature of Reader was sharing. Not only could one see posts by sites they "follow", but could also see whatever their friends shared and chose to either read that single article or follow the site. Notice any similarities? We have moved, just not to another RSS reader, but rather to G+/facebook/twitter/whatever, platforms which had that social element. Coincidentally, it was a time when g+ was failing to g…

At this point I see almost no content from my friends on most social media. It’s almost entirely ads or high-follower/influencer content guiding it. What stuff comes from friends is just reposts from influencer pages.

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Post by aniforprez »

mschuster91 wrote: post #186
aniforprez wrote: post #165

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Again, how is it that an email, that came from your cloud service provider, titled "Important Information Regarding Your Google Account" was ignored because of the "spam filter in your brain"? Again, this really sounds like an excuse for not reading important emails from your provider. It doesn't even seem to have been marked as spam by Gmail and is from Google Payments which should already have sent off alarm bells.…

> but this part of your article is basically handing all responsibility of poorly handling important communication off to someone else I'm not the person you replied to. Anyway, I'd expect of a company like Google to not word their e-mails in the same way cyber-criminals do - and for what it's worth, many cyber-security training programs actually teach that vaguely worded but "important sounding" subjects are a key i…

Ah sorry I didn't notice you weren't the same person

While the subject line could be better, the subject is not the only indicator of the importance of the email. It is coming from "Google Payments" and as a customer of GCP, why wouldn't you treat every email that comes from Google with an equal amount of importance even if there are false positives? As I said, having a filter of email addresses routed to a specific tag, all marked important and notifications for every email that lands there is one of the most basic things you can do to not avoid important notices

I don't see the issue with the subject line. I get the general rule to not mark everything important but in this case the mail IS important

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Post by aniforprez »

concordDance wrote: post #185
aniforprez wrote: post #144

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Your whole story boils down to you not properly reading an email that even says "Important Information". I don't understand how that part isn't your fault. They even tell you that your account will be suspended in the email. How do you not have a special filter to route emails from critical service providers? And I don't agree that GCP is "the only one that will suspend you for things like this". AWS can and has susp…

> Your whole story boils down to you not properly reading an email that even says "Important Information". I get a dozen on those a week, they are never actually important.

Doesn't matter. Not only does the title say "Important Notice...", the sender is Google Payments. Even if it is a false positive, why would you not pay attention to every email coming from Google when you're a customer of GCP?

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Post by wholinator2 »

asddubs wrote: post #133
zamnos wrote: post #118

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F = M * A Raise the mass of the arrow and it'll hit with more force. There's a sweet spot for piercing heavy cloth armor. If the arrows are too light, they'll bounce right off.

and if the arrows are too heavy they're not gonna make it, and if you run out of arrows, you're fucked

Well there's the other possible interpretation where wood refers to the bow instead of the arrows. Thus, the larger bow can impart larger momentum to each arrow

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Post by arthur_sav »

rhaway84773 wrote: post #142
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #10

I feel like killing Reader was the point at which I switched from viewing Google mostly positively to more skeptically. Which doesn't seem terribly rational, really; it wasn't the first product to be axed, it was perfectly possible to replace... Maybe it was just the first product axing that really affected me? The moment Google went from "provider of great free stuff" to "sometimes provider of free stuff, sometimes…

It was the reason they killed it for me. Google Reader was successful and growing. It wasn’t killed on its own merits. It was killed because Google decided Facebook was an existential threat to them so they had to do everything they could to make Google+ work, including killing otherwise successful and popular products like Reader because, killing it may lead to a slight increase in G+ adoption.

What stops anyone else from building another reader?

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Post by benj111 »

jimnotgym wrote: post #149
benj111 wrote: post #137

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How many times have 2 birds been killed with 1 stone? Is there a proven evolutionary advantage to birds rising earlier in order to catch the worm? The meaning is clear as you got it, despite you never hearing it before, so it undeniably works. It's a saying. I've heard it so it could be a britishism?

> How many times have 2 birds been killed with 1 stone? It is not that it has happened, more that it would be desirable > Is there a proven evolutionary advantage to birds rising earlier in order to catch the worm? I think anyone collecting worms as fishing bait will tell you that worms favour dawn to daytime, so yes. I'm British, and I think the arrow thing sounds like US corporate BS rather than a traditional sayin…

Well putting more wood behind fewer arrows in this case is desirable for them. The point is there doesn't have to be historical precedent for a figure of speech. It just has to effectively communicate something.

Well I did business studies aswell so it might be management speak.

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Post by ttjjtt »

aniforprez wrote: post #144
pirsquare wrote: post #128

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"You missed emails asking for verification" Did you saw the title of the email? "Important Information for your Account". It reads more like an informational email. How many important emails you've received this week? Could've been worded "[Action Required]", "Account Suspension Notice" etc. And they didn't even drop a notification when my servers were shutdown. "This will happen to you again on AWS or any other prov…

Your whole story boils down to you not properly reading an email that even says "Important Information". I don't understand how that part isn't your fault. They even tell you that your account will be suspended in the email. How do you not have a special filter to route emails from critical service providers? And I don't agree that GCP is "the only one that will suspend you for things like this". AWS can and has susp…

I get “IMPORTANT!” in headings from products I brought online. They’re not important at all. You’re aware of this being normal misuse too, because you use the internet.

Suspension, banning or deletion warnings should be labelled clearly as such in the title. Procedures need to reflect the actual environment.

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Post by impossiblefork »

jimnotgym wrote: post #145
impossiblefork wrote: post #139

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I'm not sure if it's unreasonable. In videos I've seen of tests of arrows against armour the shafts usually break, so that the weight of the shaft does not fully go into the penetration. Stiffer shorter arrows have, therefore, a better chance. Thus the men fighting heavily armoured troops may choose crossbows, which with their long reloading time would literally trade number of shots for heavier shots.

Stiffer shorter arrows will also make you miss unless you have a bow adapted to them! This is the metaphor that keeps giving

I think they're actually inherently less accurate, even with a bow suited to them, even with a crossbow.

The fletchings have less of a moment arm to correct things.

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Post by orangepurple »

DrBazza wrote: post #147
rhaway84773 wrote: post #142

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It was the reason they killed it for me. Google Reader was successful and growing. It wasn’t killed on its own merits. It was killed because Google decided Facebook was an existential threat to them so they had to do everything they could to make Google+ work, including killing otherwise successful and popular products like Reader because, killing it may lead to a slight increase in G+ adoption.

Even now, 10 yrs on, that makes no sense (their justification, not yours). How do you convince a bunch of blog authors to switch from 'free-to-air' and searchable everywhere RSS feeds, to move into closed social media platform? It seems like idiotic management making idiotic decisions completely out of touch with the userbase has been with us since the dawn of the web. Just this week, Spotify are turning the mobile a…

Who was in charge of killing it?
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