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Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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Strange that the article doesn't mention Brexit. Many nurses (and doctors) in the UK used to be from EU countries.

The article doesn't mention it because the trend began way before Brexit was concluded.

Before Brexit was concluded, a lot of EU citizens in the UK started leaving. Why wait until the turmoil kicks you out when you can be proactive. Just like people start interviewing for a new job before the old company finishes going bankrupt.

Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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As a Brit I can't help but notice that on every axis, our country appears to be in decline at the moment. Even before Brexit, things hadn't been going well, as this article shows. It's making me seriously consider moving away. I want to have hope that as a country we can turn around this societal regression, but I fear it's a deeper problem than just the current government. The class system and an unhealthy nostalgia…

Instead of creating a government policy based on "managing the decline" as they are doing, they should consider policies that will promote improvement.

Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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Just cause the dollar amount is increasing doesn't mean it isn't being defunded. You have to account for inflation, population size, and population age distribution.

NHS spending has increased by over 6.5% yearly since 2010, with even more massive increases planned for 2024-25. Want a comparison? France's healthcare spending increased 0.3% yearly in the same timeframe. The UK is outpacing France's spending increases by 2,066%. The spending argument is made from political propaganda, not from fact.

Tell that to the nurses who have to work ungodly hours to keep the system going.

Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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> Probably Paris Paris is probably one of the worst places to live in Europe. Looks nice on postcards and it's nice to visit when you never live there, though.

I like it, and especially compared to the US it's a huge upgrade

The US is a single place? I did not know that.

Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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In my district in the UK, there were occasions when average wait times for an ambulance for a Category 1 incident (eg. person not breathing) reached 48 hours last month. The target is 90% of patients reached in 15 minutes. Yet the reality is the average wait was 48 hours. I can't see any way that kind of thing isn't contributing to a shorter life expectancy.

How does the caller know an ambulance is coming? How do we know the call didn't end up in a black hole?

We see where the driver is on Doordash. Similarly there should be a text message confirmation with a tracking link to the ambulance on the way and the destination hospital.

Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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In my district in the UK, there were occasions when average wait times for an ambulance for a Category 1 incident (eg. person not breathing) reached 48 hours last month. The target is 90% of patients reached in 15 minutes. Yet the reality is the average wait was 48 hours. I can't see any way that kind of thing isn't contributing to a shorter life expectancy.

Morbid question, but if someone dies while waiting, are they included in the “average wait time” statistic?

The ambulance still shows up to declare someone dead.

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To be honest it is all about population. Industrial/technological first mover advantage has now gone really. You need the concentration of talent that only drawing from a very large pool can achieve. US, EU, China are the 3 poles at the moment - with Africa and South America as potential for the future if they can get their governance sorted out. The UK stopped being a global power after Suez - not for nothing is Bre…

One counter-argument to this would be: A nation with a 10x higher per capita of truly productive scientists and engineers (with a well functioning R&D system that wasn't just publish-or-perish or other friction that reduces efficiency) would perform roughly as well as a nation with 10x the population. Somewhat but not perfectly analogous to how some countries invest more, or more wisely in their military budget, and…

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Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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How does something like that even happen...? All I can consider is the relatively small size of the UK, and how one can drive from one side of the other in the UK in just 15 or so hours...

Concerted efforts by the Tories over decades to defund public health so that they can raise a generation of people who sincerely believe that it's best for the country for the government to get out of Healthcare and leave that to the more efficient private sector. It's a very slow process that requires first the defunding, then some brainwashing via television. The American model.

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Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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In my district in the UK, there were occasions when average wait times for an ambulance for a Category 1 incident (eg. person not breathing) reached 48 hours last month. The target is 90% of patients reached in 15 minutes. Yet the reality is the average wait was 48 hours. I can't see any way that kind of thing isn't contributing to a shorter life expectancy.

I don’t get why people are even bothering to call at this point, surely you’re better off calling a taxi or driving the person yourself and then just carrying them into the ER and shouting for help. They’re in the building that way and they can’t just ignore a collapsed person in the middle of a hallway

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35131249

I remember an article that some ambulance drivers are doing it as volunteering (they are trained). There could be a rideshare/gig-economy take on deploying more ambulances+drivers subsidized by hospitals/government: and drivers can be called in on-demand during surge - local community folks would be driving anyway.

I understand EMT are very well trained. You would want those techs to be as trained as possible. So that could be the limiting factor.

Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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As a Brit I can't help but notice that on every axis, our country appears to be in decline at the moment. Even before Brexit, things hadn't been going well, as this article shows. It's making me seriously consider moving away. I want to have hope that as a country we can turn around this societal regression, but I fear it's a deeper problem than just the current government. The class system and an unhealthy nostalgia…

As another Brit I totally agree. I don’t quite understand the sequence of events that brought us here, but I am convinced that we need to kick the Conservatives out at the next election at the very least.

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