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Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules out bailout

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Re: Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules out bailout

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Because there was a systemic risks. You let one bank collapse, OK. If the collapse causes other banks to collapse then it's bad. When WalMart, Costco can't transfer money to fill shelves, people go hungry. When people can't get their wages, they go hungry.

Then, at least be fair and nationalize the big banks. There's no point pretending that the large banks are "private" if they are subjected to some special rules. People put their money there willingly, no one forced them to. Let them all feel the joys of "free market capitalism".

> nationalize the big banks.

That would be a good idea. If bank is too big to FDIC to absorb and "too big to fail" and it fails it becomes Treasury owned overnight.

For example Paul Krugman agrees. https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/opinion/23krugman.html

>What Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve chairman, and a staunch defender of free markets, actually said was, “It may be necessary to temporarily nationalize some banks in order to facilitate a swift and orderly restructuring.” I agree.

>The case for nationalization rests on three observations.

>First, some major banks are dangerously close to the edge — in fact, they would have failed already if investors didn’t expect the government to rescue them if necessary.

>Second, banks must be rescued. The collapse of Lehman Brothers almost destroyed the world financial system, and we can’t risk letting much bigger institutions like Citigroup or Bank of America implode.

>Third, while banks must be rescued, the U.S. government can’t afford, fiscally or politically, to bestow huge gifts on bank shareholders.

... >Still, isn’t nationalization un-American? No, it’s as American as apple pie.

Re: Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules out bailout

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I like it, let capitalism work as intended by culling out the weak. They should have done the same with GM and Chrysler instead of bailing them out, we'd have a faster transition to electric today.

Who do you think helped Tesla survive?

"Taxpayer Subsidies Helped Tesla Motors, So Why Does Elon Musk Slam Them?" - https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/10/tesla-motors-fr...

Re: Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules out bailout

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My guess ( I havn't looked at is the last ones ) is that the majority of deposits were well under 250k, and that hundreds of thousands of jobs weren't on the line. Also, you are talking about a major banking collapse if people start thinking that their deposits aren't safe. (a lot of people will start pulling money, even if under 250k). There are so many irrational people out there... edit: I guess somewhere in what…

Thats not true. It was said elsewhere in HN thread and also in several articles online. The majority of avg deposits were NOT Only 3-7% of SVB accounts under FDIC limits. Edit: corrected to have specific languange

Hey, the FDIC coould raise the limit to, say, 10 million, and just let the FED reserve print out the moneys to everyone.

Not much different than what the US government is already doing. Reached the debt limit? Just raise it again, lol.

/s

Re: Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules out bailout

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Good. Investors like Ackman and Cuban seem so concerned about payroll for tech workers. The truth is that the vast majority of this cash was dry powder for acquisitions, staying liquid for new new investments, fresh VC money for advertising. Isn’t it these same folks who remind us all the time that most startups fail? Why bail out an entire bank when 99% of its startup depositors wouldn’t have made it anyway? If anyt…

> Investors like Ackman and Cuban seem so concerned about payroll for tech workers.

They weren’t calling for a bailout of SVB. They were calling for protection of depositors, which is what Yellen is trying to make happen.

Re: Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules out bailout

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Yes, in the case of large retail banks, the government did help. In 2008, the federal government purchased stock in several banks in order to recapitalize them. One could argue this was a starker example of moral hazard than letting the bank fail, but making depositors whole.

Which is why you should always bank at a "too big to fail" institution. Why America has 4000 banks is beyond me. In my country they all consolidated in the 60s and 70s into a half a dozen giants.

Banks are too big to fail - until they aren’t.

Re: Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules out bailout

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Will that not cost anyone anything? If so then sure, let's do it! If it costs more than a dime, though, let's not.

Define costs, specifically. What are the 'costs' of ensuring that depositors have their money, while taking over long-term SVB investments that the government can wait out? What are the 'costs' of tens of thousands of job losses? What are the specific 'costs' of significant centralization of banking, as any new VC would immediately require a start-up to move it's money to JPM or GS?

What are the 'costs' of ensuring that depositors have their money, while taking over long-term SVB investments that the government can wait out?

Net present value is a well defined concept. No need for scare quotes.

Re: Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules out bailout

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My guess ( I havn't looked at is the last ones ) is that the majority of deposits were well under 250k, and that hundreds of thousands of jobs weren't on the line. Also, you are talking about a major banking collapse if people start thinking that their deposits aren't safe. (a lot of people will start pulling money, even if under 250k). There are so many irrational people out there... edit: I guess somewhere in what…

S&P Global Market Intelligence reports that as of Dec 31, 2022, 97% of Silicon Valley Bank's deposit accounts exceeded the $250,000 insurance cap.

He wasn't talking about SVB but the other 500+ small banks that failed in the last 15 years.

Re: Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules out bailout

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I think Yellen is signalling the right approach, frankly. First, the balance between the bank's assets (its loans and the investments it made with depositors money, plus the bank's capital) and its liabilities, is such that SVB has enough holdings to cover nearly all of its deposits. The banks capital (that is its equity, and subordinated debt) should all go toward making depositors whole. That's what bank capital is for. The question then becomes how much of a hole is left in order to make depositors whole? It won't be that big a number, if you assume that the vast majority of the deposits will remain as deposits in whatever bank the Feds find to purchase the corpse of SVB - remember, that SVB failed not because it it had a huge mismatch between liabilities and assets, but because its depositors tried to withdraw all their money all at once - that is because SVB was put in a situation where it had to make good on all its liabilities in a 2 day period. It couldn't do that, because its assets were tied up in loans to other customers which couldn't be instantly recalled, and government bonds which couldn't be sold quickly enough without incurring substantial losses, and its own capital. It became illiquid overnight. But the actual delta between assets and liabilities may well be a few billion dollars, if the deposits are not all yanked out. For the Feds to put up that money as part of a deal to sell SVBs portfolio intact to another bank, makes good sense to me. The right people (investors in the bank) take the haircut, the depositors get their money.

Re: Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules out bailout

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Yes, it's share holders who will realize the loss. Anyone owed money by the bank, ie depositors is now in a line to be paid as the FDIC sells everything and pays out the obligations.

Paid out to the limit set up by FDIC rules you mean?

Yes you're correct. Another poster has detailed the process, but most of the depositors monies will be paid back in due time.

Re: Yellen says government will help SVB depositors but rules out bailout

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The first step would be to stop calling them Depositors. They are not and were never Depositors. That is what you have deposit boxes for...You do not have money at the Bank. You loaned money to the Bank. That is why they pay you interest on it...

For the downvoters... "International Monetary Fund - What Is a Bank?" - https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2012/03/basics.ht...

".... Banks are intermediaries between depositors (who lend money to the bank) and borrowers (to whom the bank lends money)..."

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